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Malcolm Austen: Yes.

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Malcolm Austen: You'll get asked to… Click OK.

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Malcolm Austen: So the AGM, right? Apologies for absence. Well, I I'm aware of quite a long list.

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Malcolm Austen: Which in no particular order, we have Hannah.

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Malcolm Austen: Sal Ritchie, Dave Morecambe.

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Malcolm Austen: Dick is also not with us. Dick Walker, that's Graham Moore, Paddy Hester.

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Malcolm Austen: Raymond Blight, Bill Terrell, Vicki Simpson, Fiona Campbell.

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Malcolm Austen: Our own Claire is also unable to join us.

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Malcolm Austen: And also Alan Mills, Stuart Bramley. They're the 14 apologies I have noted. So they're on the recording.

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Malcolm Austen: Right.

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Malcolm Austen: Minutes for… of the 2025 AGM were in the newsletter. Anyone want to Raise any objections, or…

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Malcolm Austen: Points of order, and matters arising.

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Malcolm Austen: I don't know whether we need to actually take a vote on accepting them. We probably do. Everyone know how to use the raised hand?

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Malcolm Austen: If you're on Windows, which you probably are as Pedigree users, you can use Alt Y to put your hand up.

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Malcolm Austen: If I had the… Yeah, oh, why? Well, put your hand up.

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Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Old Fox, right?

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Malcolm Austen: Or you can find the Raise Hand.

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sheila jelley: They've… they've changed the wording at the bottom.

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Malcolm Austen: Lovely.

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Carys Faichney: Yes. Yeah.

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sheila jelley: I'll have to do a thumbs up instead.

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sheila jelley: Oh gosh.

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Carys Faichney: I can't find those captions.

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Malcolm Austen: If you just hold your hand up and hold it still, eventually Zoom will notice and put your hand. No, don't wiggle it, just hold it still. It's important.

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Malcolm Austen: Hold it still.

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Carys Faichney: it.

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Malcolm Austen: And it'll eventually put your hand up.

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Ann .: Oh.

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Malcolm Austen: Well, it does for some people, but anyway, everyone's got their hand up, haven't they? Yes, yes.

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sheila jelley: Yeah, they've changed the, yeah.

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sheila jelley: You've got to react.

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Carys Faichney: Oh, that's.

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Malcolm Austen: Yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: React.

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Carys Faichney: Oh, recognize hand gestures.

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sheila jelley: Play… play chime for raised hands.

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sheila jelley: or recognize hand gestures new.

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Malcolm Austen: Anyway, Nemcon, isn't it?

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Malcolm Austen: Minutes.

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Malcolm Austen: Nemcon, I believe. I've forgotten what it stands for, but never mind.

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Malcolm Austen: So, chairman activities from the chairman. Well, the chairman has no activity to report. I mean, keep.

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sheila jelley: Hmm.

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Malcolm Austen: We have an AGM.

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Malcolm Austen: We, we, keep Puggle going.

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Malcolm Austen: Hannah manages to we are admittedly only one edition a year now, but Hannah seems to manage to pull the magic out of the hat.

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Malcolm Austen: A rabbit or some activity out of the hat to produce

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Malcolm Austen: A newsletter.

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Malcolm Austen: But that's that's for later. Sorry, I'm covering everyone's report.

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Malcolm Austen: I mean, I really have little to report, which is why, you know, you might like to have a more elect, more active chairman.

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Malcolm Austen: Feel free!

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Malcolm Austen: Report from the membership secretary.

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Carys Faichney: Right. Well, I have things to report. We're actually nominally only down two members this year, and we've still got still 55 of us.

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Carys Faichney: We had 57 last year.

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Carys Faichney: However, there's been some movement there because we've had a couple of resignations. I think one had got too old to be or felt she had finished or not finished. Nobody finishes, but had stopped researching, I should say more accurately.

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Carys Faichney: And obviously David Hallgood has passed on as well. So two resignations for.

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Carys Faichney: Yeah, elderly reasons for people who've been with us for years and years.

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Carys Faichney: I did send out 9 reminders, and that gave us 6 renewals, which I thought was definitely worth doing.

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Carys Faichney: But the three who didn't reply, I think we've lost them.

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Carys Faichney: Because I just haven't heard.

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Carys Faichney: We do have 3 new members.

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Carys Faichney: They're all in quite interestingly looking to get hold of their data for for relatives and to pass on.

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Carys Faichney: Which is fine, so it's one of the resignations was, in fact, somebody who had

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Carys Faichney: used our £5 to get hold of the latest PeddiTree to export his data for a sister, I think it was.

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Malcolm Austen: Right.

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Carys Faichney: So,

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Carys Faichney: So 3 come and go. So I think these 3 probably will be doing the same thing, and they've they're on Pug L. But at least one has

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Carys Faichney: last year commented that the documentation was so good. Thank you, Colin, who's who's disappeared? And the documentation was so good that they hadn't actually had any problems doing it, and had succeeded in what they had joined for.

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Carys Faichney: 30 of us have paid online, and nearly all but 5 are on Pug L, and I think some are not on Pug L, simply because they're not researching, or certainly in one case, sort of…

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Carys Faichney: With us for your goodwill, rather than, actively.

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Carys Faichney: Part, you know, participating, basically.

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Carys Faichney: Now, did you hear that, Colin, that,

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Carys Faichney: I was saying that one person had…

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Carys Faichney: not needed to use Pug L, because they'd actually found the documentation was good enough for them to do all the… do what they needed to get their data out of Peditree for a relative.

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Carys Faichney: So they were complimentary about and relieved and delighted to find lots of documentation.

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Colin Liebenrood: the.

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Carys Faichney: So, thank you for that.

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Carys Faichney: But, I think that's about it, really.

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Carys Faichney: I think,

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Carys Faichney: Yes, I said 30 have paid online. So I think that's about what I have to report. So we're still alive.

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Malcolm Austen: Oh, the member those who are still members are, yes.

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Carys Faichney: Well, yes.

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Carys Faichney: laughs.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes.

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Ann .: Genealogists do, isn't it, Lee?

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Ann .: Yeah. Play around with dead people.

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Carys Faichney: There's still the one person who does.

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Carys Faichney: pay regularly, pay online, but I have no email address for them, I've only got a postal address. Hmm.

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Carys Faichney: That's fine.

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Malcolm Austen: Right. Well, thank you, Carys. We have a brief report submitted.

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Malcolm Austen: I'll… Two and a half lines on my screen from Hannah for the editor's report.

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Malcolm Austen: No great surprises in the first bit. It's getting increasingly difficult to find material for the newsletter. And even Pagel is quieter, so the summaries of Pagel discussions are shorter. Very grateful.

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Malcolm Austen: Hannah is indeed, as we all are, very grateful to Colin, who has been the main source of articles over the past few years, and to the committee for their contributions and painstaking proofreading. Well…

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Malcolm Austen: I think that's more Colin than Colin doesn't produce things that need proofreading, does he?

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Carys Faichney: No.

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Carys Faichney: No, don't find anything wrong with anything to correct on yours, Colin.

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Malcolm Austen: So, yes, well, you know, I would just add, thank you, Hannah, for increasingly managing to pull

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Malcolm Austen: A rabbit after a rather empty hat, so to speak.

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Colin Liebenrood: Okay.

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Malcolm Austen: If anyone would like to contribute anything to the newsletter, feel free, you know.

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Malcolm Austen: We are down to one a year now, and which is…

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Malcolm Austen: When you think back to the original days since since David Horgood was mentioned, David's

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Malcolm Austen: They were… it was a different era, of course, but, yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: We didn't quite have five a year. It was only four a year. It just felt like five a year, although I wasn't actually a member during the first few years.

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sheila jelley: 5…

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Carys Faichney: There was one year that was 5, wasn't there?

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sheila jelley: 5 or.

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Malcolm Austen: Well.

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Carys Faichney: Mmm.

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sheila jelley: Right at the beginning, I think.

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Malcolm Austen: Technically, no.

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Malcolm Austen: There were only four, okay, technicality here. There were only ever four issues in a year, but the membership

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Malcolm Austen: At that point was £5 for 5 newsletters.

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Malcolm Austen: The membership wasn't wasn't collected annually, I as I if I recall correctly.

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Malcolm Austen: But yes, it's a moot point. We… we did… I think, it soon settled to actually being an annual fee. It was much… you can't, you can't so easily ask banks to make a standing order pay every 15 months, I suspect.

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Malcolm Austen: So… The accounts now. So,

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Malcolm Austen: I trust you've all found the accounts that have been put on the AGM web page.

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Malcolm Austen: Thank you, Bob.

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Malcolm Austen: for producing the accounts, keeping track of our money.

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Malcolm Austen: And for not going to the Bahamas for the AGM weekend.

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Bob Golder: Well, I've got my passport at home, I could do.

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Malcolm Austen: So would anyone, any questions for Bob on the account?

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Bob Golder: Well, tell me just… I've just taken the road sweep. I hope my voice doesn't give out.

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Bob Golder: One thing I was going to say, obviously people will notice.

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Bob Golder: It's deficit.

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Bob Golder: Compared with Rocket last year.

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Bob Golder: And that's largely due to a considerable increase.

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sheila jelley: Thank you.

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Bob Golder: In the cost of the newsletter.

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Malcolm Austen: Hmm.

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Bob Golder: Again, this is, again, Committee may have to discuss.

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Bob Golder: How you want them newsletters in the future.

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Malcolm Austen: Hmm.

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Bob Golder: you Electronic.

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Bob Golder: or get a new supplier for the cost of the newsletter.

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Carys Faichney: Well, I think the newsletter cost went up because of the extra utility.

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Carys Faichney: Information that we put out with it, and we made a decision that we…

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Carys Faichney: We can spend the money, we've got the money, let's spend it.

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Malcolm Austen: Well, yes, I mean…

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Carys Faichney: that.

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Malcolm Austen: Printing, printing the, guide for Colin's, wonderful utility is, Was well worth doing.

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Malcolm Austen: It's very good, that. You say it did put the

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Malcolm Austen: It did put up the cost, but

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Malcolm Austen: No, I think it's money well spent. That's what we have the money for to.

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Malcolm Austen: Do things for the members.

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Bob Golder: And this description…

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Malcolm Austen: More expensive it would have been if we'd had twice as many members.

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David Sears: It's quite a sobering thought, building on Malcolm's comment that if £5 used to cover five issues, now it's barely enough to cover one issue. Yes. That's a bit sobering.

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Malcolm Austen: Five pounds isn't you five five five pounds would probably have bought several pints of beer back in the day.

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David Sears: Yeah, standby.

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Malcolm Austen: Volume one.

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David Sears: About half a pint now.

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David Sears: from my point of view as independent examiner. There's enough money. There's a small deficit, but there were a couple of special one-off expenses.

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David Sears: and I From my point of view, I don't see any risk to the organization.

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David Sears: And I think it would be fairly hard to put up the.

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David Sears: Subscription at this stage.

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Carys Faichney: Don't even think of it, please.

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David Sears: Yeah.

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Colin Liebenrood: laughter.

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Ann .: Hahaha.

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Malcolm Austen: can.

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David Sears: Having just paid ahead for five years just to avoid.

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Carys Faichney: I do think this was a little optimistic, David.

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David Sears: know.

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Carys Faichney: the.

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David Sears: Oh, for me, you mean? Yes. Yeah.

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Carys Faichney: Yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: Well, it means that it means at least our independent examiner believes he will be independently examining for the next five years.

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David Sears: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes, we're we're.

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Malcolm Austen: Yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: We're not about to go bust.

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Malcolm Austen: Hang on.

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Malcolm Austen: And, we can't…

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Bob Golder: Yeah, the subscription… The subscriptions are down slightly.

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Bob Golder: But again, it reflects the membership numbers.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes.

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Malcolm Austen: I mean, for the way the, the group operates nowadays, you know, we really did get desperate. I'm sure we could find ways to, to economize.

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Malcolm Austen: But, but we need to, you know…

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sheila jelley: We need to…

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Malcolm Austen: The primary aim should be that when the membership finally dwindles down to the point where we can't even raise a committee, that there should be no money left in the pot.

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Malcolm Austen: Okay.

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Malcolm Austen: Solves the problem of deciding who to give the money to.

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Bob Golder: I think the Constitution says it's a society of genealogies.

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Malcolm Austen: That probably does, but yes, I think you're right.

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Bob Golder: Or whichever organization the members want.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes.

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Malcolm Austen: At least we're not constrained that, we can give it to anyone we like, because we're not a registered charity.

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Malcolm Austen: But let's… let's spend the money on, you know, better to spend the money on the members that we have while we have members.

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Malcolm Austen: So,

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Malcolm Austen: So, we probably need to take our hands up to accept the accounts, don't we? So, anyone willing to accept the accounts?

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Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Yes.

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Malcolm Austen: I don't think I saw any nose, heard any nose, yeah.

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Malcolm Austen: If you object, say so. Did anyone abstain? I didn't count abstentions before, but I think we just write down Nemcon.

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Malcolm Austen: Again.

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Malcolm Austen: What?

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Malcolm Austen: I'm just going to lower my hand. There we go. Yes. Right. So, oh, we come to the election of officers and committee members. Right.

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Malcolm Austen: Well, we have only five committee members.

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Malcolm Austen: I'm sure there are one or two

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Malcolm Austen: I haven't checked, but no one has said they're not.

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Malcolm Austen: Happy to continue. Basically, we have Bob.

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Malcolm Austen: as Treasurer, Carys as Membership Secretary, Claire as Secretary.

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Malcolm Austen: Hannah as editor, and me as, willing to be replaced, if anyone would like to put their hand up.

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Malcolm Austen: Meanwhile, if I stay, you just have to accept that the chairman's doesn't do an awful lot other than.

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Malcolm Austen: Prod, if, Puggle fails, or stop… starts causing problems, or whatever.

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Malcolm Austen: So…

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sheila jelley: Keep us all together, Malcolm, by your technical.

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sheila jelley: Expertise.

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Malcolm Austen: So…

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Bob Golder: Who's Zoomba to you?

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Malcolm Austen: Well, there's a good question, yes. So, shall we.

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Malcolm Austen: Just put hands up to re-elect everyone as they are.

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sheila jelley: Are they all willing?

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Malcolm Austen: Well, no one has said they're not.

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Malcolm Austen: Yeah, everyone vote for everyone else.

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sheila jelley: Yes, it worked that hand up.

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Carys Faichney: Oh, mine hasn't.

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sheila jelley: comes up.

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Carys Faichney: Oh, mine didn't.

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Malcolm Austen: Well, I assume that all the hands I'm assuming that all the hands are up.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes, right.

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sheila jelley: Then I've got a thing to lower hand. Yeah. They've changed it.

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Carys Faichney: They have. I could do it before. It seems to have disappeared now. Anyway.

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sheila jelley: It's what keeps us going, Carys.

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Carys Faichney: you.

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Malcolm Austen: Yes!

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Malcolm Austen: Okay.

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Malcolm Austen: So, what's left on the agenda? Appointment of the Honorary Examiner. Well, we'd better put all… put our hands up again, except David

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Malcolm Austen: Who doesn't need to put his hand up, he's already indicated willingness, yes, so we're all…

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sheila jelley: Thumbs up.

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Malcolm Austen: to, oh… I keep losing focus, so Y doesn't work for me.

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Malcolm Austen: Yeah, Nem called again.

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Malcolm Austen: Right.

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Malcolm Austen: Lower hand, so… I think we've come to the end of the,

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Malcolm Austen: formal part of the AGM, haven't we? Sorry, that was 20 minutes, not 5.

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Malcolm Austen: Sorry to let you down there, Bob.

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Malcolm Austen: Right.

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David Sears: So, funny enough, could I just add a comment on the accounts, which I've already said to Bob? The amazing thing about the accounts is that they are on a formal accrual basis, which

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David Sears: Most charities don't use unless their turnover goes above about 50 grand. So using quite a complicated accounting system for our turnover is very remarkable. It gives, if you like, a slightly better result than cash accounting.

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David Sears: But if anybody wanted eventually to move to a simpler

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David Sears: form of accounting, I… Could be a rain. I would not object.

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Malcolm Austen: Right.

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Carys Faichney: Leave that decision to Bob, I think.

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David Sears: Yes, yes, it does.

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Carys Faichney: Feel free.

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Malcolm Austen: I should probably now supplement my report on… from the chairman to say, not only to thank the committee for all they have done, but to thank them for continuing to do it for the next 12 months.

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Malcolm Austen: And hopefully for a bit longer than that. Right. So I will stop the recording now, just so that it's split into…

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Malcolm Austen: Two parts… where's it gone?

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Malcolm Austen: There's the button. I'm going to stop the recording.

