WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.469 Malcolm Austen: But this time you clicked OK once, so you shouldn't have to click OK again. 2 00:00:05.640 --> 00:00:22.360 Malcolm Austen: So, now we come to the post-AGM discussions, for anything that anyone wants to raise. One question we have been asked to discuss is the issue of… I mean, everyone's happy about recording changes of name. 3 00:00:23.070 --> 00:00:29.190 Malcolm Austen: somehow, but is recording changes of sex actually any different? I mean. 4 00:00:29.690 --> 00:00:37.570 Malcolm Austen: Personally, I would, you know, you record on the basis of of… at birth. 5 00:00:37.670 --> 00:00:49.019 Malcolm Austen: You record the surname used at birth, or from birth, even though it's not. I have to remind myself that, in fact, there's nothing on a birth registration until recently. 6 00:00:49.160 --> 00:00:53.570 Malcolm Austen: To actually give the child a surname, 7 00:00:53.710 --> 00:01:07.140 Malcolm Austen: It's just assumed, but the same, you know, if it says boy or girl on the birth certificate, that's what you put into your database, and everything else has to be covered by notes, or events, or whatever. 8 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.470 Malcolm Austen: Would anyone like to… 9 00:01:11.610 --> 00:01:14.629 Malcolm Austen: Anyone actually handled, dealt with the issue? 10 00:01:15.310 --> 00:01:19.150 Carys Faichney: Yes, I've got one, but, 11 00:01:20.430 --> 00:01:27.790 Carys Faichney: My thought was that I should be recording what that person felt they were now. 12 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:35.850 Carys Faichney: so that it was the current information. I don't actually use that to, I don't know, extract or list birthdays or anything. 13 00:01:35.980 --> 00:01:42.610 Carys Faichney: personal I would address them with or anything. But… I felt… 14 00:01:42.610 --> 00:01:42.940 Bob Golder: meal. 15 00:01:42.940 --> 00:01:43.710 Carys Faichney: That. 16 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:54.030 Carys Faichney: If they now felt that they were the opposite sex, then I probably ought to record what they felt they were. 17 00:01:56.990 --> 00:02:03.920 Carys Faichney: particularly name-wise, So I sort of wanted to put the one name in the 18 00:02:04.250 --> 00:02:16.259 Carys Faichney: current name, I don't know, say, you know, now Mary, but then put in brackets that… say, I don't know, double brackets, something to hide it, but to show that it was still… that it was a current… 19 00:02:16.430 --> 00:02:17.319 Carys Faichney: Is it? 20 00:02:17.320 --> 00:02:17.790 Ann .: Hmm. 21 00:02:17.790 --> 00:02:24.239 Carys Faichney: was a private knowledge, if you like, that they had been John or George or whatever. 22 00:02:25.370 --> 00:02:39.300 Carys Faichney: But otherwise it's basically got to be notes, hasn't it? Or you leave the sex, which you don't have to put the sex in, and it isn't always known, isn't it? You know, I'm leave to my unborn child, etc. 23 00:02:39.950 --> 00:02:44.539 Carys Faichney: So perhaps you don't put the sex in at all and make notes to. 24 00:02:44.970 --> 00:02:46.869 Carys Faichney: Show what's happened. 25 00:02:47.200 --> 00:02:50.929 Ann .: How would you deal with a woman marrying a woman? 26 00:02:51.110 --> 00:02:52.769 Ann .: In Pedigree. 27 00:02:53.410 --> 00:02:59.650 Ann .: I have. I have had that. I've got that in my legacy database database. But I haven't. 28 00:02:59.790 --> 00:03:02.079 Ann .: Put us into pedigree because. 29 00:03:02.590 --> 00:03:05.080 Ann .: I just am not. I'm not clever enough. 30 00:03:06.950 --> 00:03:12.290 Carys Faichney: I don't know about Pedigree because I'm actually using family historian, she admits. 31 00:03:12.290 --> 00:03:12.990 Ann .: Alright, okay. 32 00:03:13.030 --> 00:03:16.819 Carys Faichney: And you can actually… They can actually cater for that. 33 00:03:16.820 --> 00:03:17.440 Malcolm Austen: Hmm. 34 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:18.329 Ann .: Oh, okay. 35 00:03:18.820 --> 00:03:25.020 David Sears: In so as basic as Pedigree, you could also use a nickname thing put in previously. 36 00:03:25.020 --> 00:03:25.850 Ann .: Yeah. 37 00:03:25.850 --> 00:03:33.479 David Sears: Previously Mark, now Mary, or whatever. Yes. A query, probably for Colin, as to whether there's any… 38 00:03:33.580 --> 00:03:37.159 David Sears: Objection to having same-sex. 39 00:03:37.740 --> 00:03:55.219 David Sears: marriages. I know when Pedigree came out, life was very simple, and you're either married or you weren't. Modern programs now have about, you know, up to 10 different possible relationships, and probably deal with this 40 00:03:55.310 --> 00:04:02.869 David Sears: gender issue better. Are there any inbuilt restrictions within pedigree or predatory. 41 00:04:08.130 --> 00:04:09.400 David Sears: Colin? 42 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:18.700 Colin Liebenrood: Answer answer is I don't know, I'm afraid. Okay. I've not looked into it. I can do, but I don't. 43 00:04:18.829 --> 00:04:26.979 Colin Liebenrood: Usually, It's it's it's set up for a male and a female result. 44 00:04:27.100 --> 00:04:35.939 Colin Liebenrood: I don't know what happens if you try and do change, change the sex on one on one to the to the other. And what happens? 45 00:04:36.280 --> 00:04:41.040 Colin Liebenrood: I would have to look into it. It's not something I've followed, I'm afraid. 46 00:04:41.340 --> 00:04:45.020 Colin Liebenrood: I'll… I'll look, but not now. 47 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.839 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, I mean, I think that… that… I mean. 48 00:04:48.940 --> 00:04:50.770 Malcolm Austen: Some of it, I feel, is 49 00:04:50.990 --> 00:04:54.670 Malcolm Austen: In terms of history, it's a shame that, 50 00:04:55.250 --> 00:05:14.410 Malcolm Austen: the… in GEDCOM and the way most family history programs are structured, they… they hold marriage data, whereas, really, it should be just, sort of, relationship data, you know, pairing data, or whatever you like to… okay, maybe if you're… if you… 51 00:05:14.900 --> 00:05:34.009 Malcolm Austen: if you're a Mormon and have three wives, then maybe pairing's not the right word. But, you know, it's… it makes an assumption about marriage which is no longer valid, and… And the options don't sit comfortably always with the word marriage, but. 52 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:41.660 Malcolm Austen: I mean, the… the issue… the recording of gender changes is, 53 00:05:42.870 --> 00:05:57.870 Malcolm Austen: difficult, I think, you know. I think it can only… there is no way of doing it other than in notes. I don't think any… any family history program that I know of allows it to change in the course of 54 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.540 Malcolm Austen: someone's lifetime. Oh, here comes Simon in the… 55 00:06:02.540 --> 00:06:13.700 sheila jelley: But the nick if you use the nickname, it then comes up when you've got that person's things, whereas the notes, you know, don't always come up, you know, when you're looking at a tree. 56 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.790 sheila jelley: The nickname would be shown, wouldn't it? 57 00:06:20.080 --> 00:06:21.890 Malcolm Austen: Welcome, Simon. 58 00:06:21.890 --> 00:06:22.860 Simon Davies: Hi, Ann. 59 00:06:23.060 --> 00:06:25.209 Simon Davies: I don't know why my video is not showing. 60 00:06:25.210 --> 00:06:32.729 Malcolm Austen: The AGM itself is out of the way. We are just discussing the, well, I mean, the… 61 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:47.000 Malcolm Austen: Two questions have been… it's been generalized a little bit with the… it started with the question of gender reassignment, but also about the general fact that not all family history programs cope with 62 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:54.430 Malcolm Austen: You know, they are based on marriages between a man and a woman, and, you know. 63 00:06:54.570 --> 00:06:58.479 Malcolm Austen: And how easy is it to record where 64 00:06:58.790 --> 00:07:00.690 Malcolm Austen: Both are of the same gender. 65 00:07:00.870 --> 00:07:05.549 Malcolm Austen: I think some programs probably make it easier than others. 66 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:06.540 Simon Davies: you. 67 00:07:06.990 --> 00:07:15.809 Malcolm Austen: But yes, sorry, we are just we are recording this mainly so that we can hopefully produce some notes, some 68 00:07:15.930 --> 00:07:20.169 Malcolm Austen: Summary for putting into our newsletter, 69 00:07:20.860 --> 00:07:24.029 Malcolm Austen: It's not for publication, it's just for… 70 00:07:24.230 --> 00:07:29.200 Malcolm Austen: Making the, life of someone's life easier in producing. 71 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:30.420 Malcolm Austen: some notes. 72 00:07:30.540 --> 00:07:34.389 Malcolm Austen: Do you have any views on either recording 73 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:39.160 Malcolm Austen: Gender check reassignment, shall we say, or… 74 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:47.889 Simon Davies: I think that the main challenge actually is charting relationships, like, because it's driven off married names. 75 00:07:48.070 --> 00:07:50.590 Simon Davies: So I think it's a broader… 76 00:07:50.740 --> 00:07:58.369 Simon Davies: Challenge in how to… how to group people, which you kind of have, actually, with situations like. 77 00:07:58.530 --> 00:08:04.680 Simon Davies: Spanish surnames, some Scandinavian names. 78 00:08:04.880 --> 00:08:08.440 Simon Davies: I mean, we have a… we put down partners 79 00:08:08.660 --> 00:08:13.060 Simon Davies: And we call them significant others, so we don't specify the gender. 80 00:08:13.610 --> 00:08:19.249 Simon Davies: But Gedcoms do group families based on paternal 81 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:24.429 Simon Davies: Surname, and really there needs to be… 82 00:08:24.620 --> 00:08:27.899 Simon Davies: We haven't fully addressed it yet, but there needs to be a way to ignore that. 83 00:08:28.110 --> 00:08:29.060 Simon Davies: Not really. 84 00:08:31.220 --> 00:08:32.610 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, it's… 85 00:08:32.610 --> 00:08:35.660 Simon Davies: I mean, I've got my cousin's daughter. 86 00:08:35.830 --> 00:08:39.149 Simon Davies: As a same-sex married partner. 87 00:08:39.710 --> 00:08:44.609 Simon Davies: And it's been interesting putting them in and their decision on surnames. 88 00:08:44.920 --> 00:08:48.919 Simon Davies: And the other thing is, I mean, increasingly now, 89 00:08:49.790 --> 00:08:56.430 Simon Davies: women stay known by their maiden name, even after they're married. I mean, my wife. 90 00:08:56.430 --> 00:08:59.419 Carys Faichney: About 50 years ago, it was a bit trendy then, but. 91 00:08:59.420 --> 00:09:01.230 Simon Davies: Okay. 92 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:02.869 Ann .: Always in Scotland. 93 00:09:02.870 --> 00:09:04.280 Carys Faichney: Yes. 94 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:06.100 sheila jelley: Lovely Scotland. 95 00:09:06.460 --> 00:09:11.869 Simon Davies: So I think the fundamental challenge is just keeping track of the relationships and family groupings. 96 00:09:12.870 --> 00:09:16.559 Simon Davies: Which I think is eminently doable, it's just all a bit traditional at the moment. 97 00:09:17.980 --> 00:09:18.800 Malcolm Austen: Yes. 98 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:23.299 David Sears: And I guess this comes up with DNA as well, because, again. 99 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:28.400 David Sears: The biological relationships may not be the same as the documented. 100 00:09:28.910 --> 00:09:32.940 David Sears: Family tree relationships, and, you know, that's another whole set of problems, which… 101 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:34.630 Malcolm Austen: I mean, yeah. 102 00:09:34.630 --> 00:09:36.300 David Sears: Much more common, frankly. 103 00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:41.240 Simon Davies: Was it Nick Barrett? That's some talk of his. He was saying the last. 104 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.449 Simon Davies: The last whatever years have been all about. 105 00:09:44.580 --> 00:09:46.649 Simon Davies: Finding the records to… 106 00:09:47.140 --> 00:09:55.020 Simon Davies: chart out your family history, and then the next X will be working… period of time with DNA will be working out how much it is actually true. 107 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:57.940 Malcolm Austen: Yeah. 108 00:09:57.940 --> 00:10:03.639 Simon Davies: I met this guy from this Scottish Gordon family in the sort of one name study Gordons and the 109 00:10:03.920 --> 00:10:20.559 Simon Davies: somewhere in the background there's some Laird Gordon, that no one knows if they're related to or not, and they've been asking him to do a DNA test, and he's refused. Well, of course he's refused. I mean, if you think about the aristocracy, they all interbred, and they find out that he wasn't a Gordon. 110 00:10:22.530 --> 00:10:30.089 Malcolm Austen: Why would you want to do a DNA test when you've got Burke's peerage or et cetera? Prove to prove who you are. 111 00:10:30.410 --> 00:10:35.230 Simon Davies: I wonder about that Josh Riddicombe on Who Do You Think You Are? 112 00:10:35.430 --> 00:10:37.699 Simon Davies: And he tracked himself back to. 113 00:10:37.820 --> 00:10:39.470 Simon Davies: Amberlynn's sister. 114 00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:44.350 Simon Davies: And they pointed out, well, Anne Boleyn's sister was a mistress of Henry VIII. 115 00:10:44.490 --> 00:10:44.850 sheila jelley: Yeah. 116 00:10:44.850 --> 00:10:56.180 Simon Davies: And all the aristocrats slept in amongst each other so that it didn't really, it's inconsequential whose the child was. They were still brought up within whatever noble family. So he could easily be descended from Henry VIII, you just never know. 117 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:58.060 Ann .: you. 118 00:10:58.110 --> 00:10:58.750 Malcolm Austen: Unless… 119 00:10:58.750 --> 00:11:01.050 Simon Davies: I'm descended from Henry, I've just decided. 120 00:11:01.180 --> 00:11:01.900 Malcolm Austen: Yes. 121 00:11:02.300 --> 00:11:06.109 sheila jelley: He definitely wouldn't have his DNA done, would he? 122 00:11:07.810 --> 00:11:08.569 Ann .: What was it? 123 00:11:09.140 --> 00:11:12.399 Ann .: out of the cupboard, then you can't get it back in again. 124 00:11:13.670 --> 00:11:14.370 Simon Davies: the. 125 00:11:15.150 --> 00:11:15.870 Malcolm Austen: No. 126 00:11:17.680 --> 00:11:24.079 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, so I think the answer is that there is no simple answer to, 127 00:11:24.370 --> 00:11:24.930 Simon Davies: you. 128 00:11:24.930 --> 00:11:32.100 Malcolm Austen: We haven't yet, family history programs still, or family historians are still having some 129 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:36.810 Malcolm Austen: Debate or difficulty with recording, 130 00:11:36.910 --> 00:11:44.520 Malcolm Austen: Same-sex relationships in family trees, let alone recording changes of gender. 131 00:11:44.630 --> 00:12:03.020 Malcolm Austen: And I was just thinking, sort of, while you were talking, I'm not sure that it's even true to say that nowadays, with the way these things are working, it's probably not even true to say that someone's mother must have been female at birth. 132 00:12:03.560 --> 00:12:03.900 David Sears: No. 133 00:12:05.550 --> 00:12:06.310 Malcolm Austen: Okay. 134 00:12:08.540 --> 00:12:19.859 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, so, hmm, I don't think we're going to have an answer to this that's really… other than just recording it in notes, making sure they're private where appropriate. 135 00:12:20.630 --> 00:12:26.370 Malcolm Austen: The question, I suppose, is on personal preference, will be whether it's 136 00:12:26.640 --> 00:12:35.459 Malcolm Austen: The change that is to be kept as a private note, or whether it's the original fact that's going to be kept as a private note. 137 00:12:35.790 --> 00:12:36.400 Ann .: 1. 138 00:12:38.190 --> 00:12:47.759 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Malcolm. Some years ago, I found an entry in a family Bible where a child had been born 139 00:12:47.860 --> 00:12:55.260 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): And was possibly a stillbirth, or had died within minutes or hours of birth. 140 00:12:55.420 --> 00:13:05.639 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): But in the family Bible, it just recorded the fact that there was a birth. So at that stage, I didn't know whether it was male or female. 141 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:12.089 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): So I had to record the child without a name and without a sex. 142 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:24.650 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): And then eventually, some months later, I actually found a birth certificate for the child, which told me, whether it was male or female, so I could then go back 143 00:13:24.970 --> 00:13:30.019 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Into the entry, and edit it to put the sex of the child in. 144 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:34.020 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, I… 145 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:36.730 Simon Davies: I need to say hello to Michael. How you doing, Michael? 146 00:13:36.730 --> 00:13:38.020 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Hi. 147 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:39.770 Simon Davies: Shropshire man. 148 00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:48.880 Malcolm Austen: It's probably easier to leave something as unknown when recording than it is to. 149 00:13:49.280 --> 00:13:54.900 Malcolm Austen: Record it in different states at different times. 150 00:13:55.530 --> 00:13:55.970 Carys Faichney: you. 151 00:13:57.270 --> 00:14:02.690 David Sears: And you can do that in some other programs. It gets flagged up as an error, but 152 00:14:02.930 --> 00:14:04.910 David Sears: Well, yeah, you can do it. 153 00:14:05.170 --> 00:14:05.790 Malcolm Austen: Yeah. 154 00:14:07.520 --> 00:14:08.220 Malcolm Austen: Mmm. 155 00:14:09.450 --> 00:14:09.770 Simon Davies: I'm. 156 00:14:09.770 --> 00:14:10.130 David Sears: Malcolm. 157 00:14:10.130 --> 00:14:10.480 Simon Davies: how. 158 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.630 David Sears: Could I ask a take-home question before we move on? 159 00:14:14.070 --> 00:14:14.740 Malcolm Austen: Yeah. 160 00:14:14.830 --> 00:14:19.919 David Sears: Actually, this is how to solve a problem. And it's addressed to Colin, basically. 161 00:14:20.020 --> 00:14:26.109 David Sears: Colin, you and I were corresponding about 5 years ago about my particular databases. 162 00:14:26.210 --> 00:14:30.180 David Sears: Which date back to 1989. 163 00:14:30.390 --> 00:14:41.419 David Sears: where I changed the format, and that has made it difficult to move into Elton format, and that in turn has made it difficult to export decent 164 00:14:41.910 --> 00:14:42.910 David Sears: Good, cool. 165 00:14:44.050 --> 00:14:52.469 David Sears: I would like to return to this topic. What's the best way of doing that? Do I go to Pagel or do I contact you directly? 166 00:14:53.850 --> 00:14:55.139 David Sears: I'll plug out. 167 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:58.180 Carys Faichney: I'll try Pug L because I've done that. 168 00:14:59.850 --> 00:15:02.259 Carys Faichney: I had… my database was. 169 00:15:02.590 --> 00:15:21.070 Carys Faichney: different. Yeah. Basically, I created a dummy… some… a dummy family that had got every field in that ever I used, exported that bit as GEDCOM, and then imported it into various… whatever I wanted to use, and see which bits weren't recognized, and what I had to change. 170 00:15:21.150 --> 00:15:30.029 Carys Faichney: Because you can change what, the program is saying as the, you know, the GEDCOM tags can be changed. 171 00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:38.680 Carys Faichney: If you've got the GEDCOM 5 version, it might not be based on Elton 55, but can you export as a GEDCOM 5 from it? 172 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.959 David Sears: No, I can't get into Alton at the moment. 173 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.259 Carys Faichney: No, it's not necessarily Elton, but is your database compatible with… 174 00:15:46.380 --> 00:15:52.419 Carys Faichney: GEDCOM 5, can you… is one of your export options a GEDCOM 5, or is it older than that and you left it? 175 00:15:52.420 --> 00:15:53.570 David Sears: Get comfortable. 176 00:15:53.570 --> 00:15:54.360 Carys Faichney: Okay. 177 00:15:54.920 --> 00:15:55.830 Carys Faichney: Hmm. 178 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.760 Carys Faichney: Export it and re-import into a GEDCOM 5, I suspect, then. 179 00:16:00.660 --> 00:16:02.350 Malcolm Austen: Sounds like the… 180 00:16:02.350 --> 00:16:04.969 David Sears: I lose a lot in the process. Yeah. 181 00:16:05.090 --> 00:16:06.260 Malcolm Austen: It sounds like… 182 00:16:06.470 --> 00:16:15.600 Malcolm Austen: Piece for Hannah for the newsletter, for someone to go back and dredge out the advice from the past on this from. 183 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:16.170 Carys Faichney: Hmm. 184 00:16:16.500 --> 00:16:19.629 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, Annals and Archives of Pug L. 185 00:16:19.860 --> 00:16:20.670 Malcolm Austen: Wow. 186 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:22.950 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): I have the same problem, actually. 187 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:25.980 Malcolm Austen: Hmm. 188 00:16:26.540 --> 00:16:30.830 Carys Faichney: It can be done, but it might not be quick and easy. I think it's probably the answer. 189 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:32.030 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Maria offered. 190 00:16:32.180 --> 00:16:32.780 David Sears: Yeah. 191 00:16:32.780 --> 00:16:41.489 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): me to send him a copy of the database, which I did, and I got the reply back sorry, it's too complicated. 192 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:42.050 Carys Faichney: Oh. 193 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:43.200 Carys Faichney: Oh. 194 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:43.950 Malcolm Austen: Ha ha ha. 195 00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:45.850 Malcolm Austen: Yeah. 196 00:16:45.850 --> 00:16:48.139 Ann .: Same thing as well, really. 197 00:16:48.470 --> 00:16:49.520 Ann .: Cause. 198 00:16:49.670 --> 00:16:53.180 Ann .: The database with my mother's line in it. 199 00:16:53.450 --> 00:16:54.530 Ann .: And. 200 00:16:55.750 --> 00:16:58.129 Ann .: It's a bit different, and I have never… I… 201 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:00.950 Ann .: I haven't managed to access it for a long time. 202 00:17:01.290 --> 00:17:04.770 Ann .: So… and I'm not brave enough to try and fix it. 203 00:17:05.550 --> 00:17:08.219 Ann .: I had to sing the Judge Compile or something. 204 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:08.700 Malcolm Austen: Yeah. 205 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:10.540 Ann .: That's… Anyway. 206 00:17:10.790 --> 00:17:18.279 Ann .: So if somebody could fix, you know, have a, have an article that helps, talks about fixing, that would be helpful. 207 00:17:19.339 --> 00:17:23.669 Simon Davies: So, one thing you could try is actually AI. So, 208 00:17:23.949 --> 00:17:29.259 Simon Davies: So GEDCOM 4 has fields that aren't recognized in GEDCOM 5, right? 209 00:17:31.719 --> 00:17:33.369 Simon Davies: You, 210 00:17:33.789 --> 00:17:43.559 Simon Davies: If you had a private account, you could literally put that in there and say, can you convert this to 5.5.1? And it would give a decent go, and it would give you an audit of what it had done. 211 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:54.899 Simon Davies: What I'm picking up here, I just did a little query on it. It's saying that where the fields in GEDCOM 4 don't exist, it would need to create custom fields in the GEDCOM 5, but it would give you an audit of 212 00:17:55.379 --> 00:17:59.439 Simon Davies: where it had done that. But that'll take you, like, 20 minutes. 213 00:18:00.070 --> 00:18:00.670 Carys Faichney: I. 214 00:18:00.670 --> 00:18:01.430 Simon Davies: If you want to send me a chance. 215 00:18:01.430 --> 00:18:01.910 Ann .: the. 216 00:18:01.910 --> 00:18:03.819 Simon Davies: Send me a call, I'll do it for you. 217 00:18:05.900 --> 00:18:06.639 David Sears: Sorry? 218 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:07.240 Carys Faichney: Oh. 219 00:18:07.390 --> 00:18:10.260 Ann .: An article on how to do that would be. 220 00:18:10.770 --> 00:18:12.210 Ann .: Revelatory. 221 00:18:12.380 --> 00:18:14.140 David Sears: Ha ha ha ha yeah. 222 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:20.209 Simon Davies: I mean, David, in all seriousness, if you want me to try it, send me the JudgeCom, and I'll see what it comes back with, and then if it does work, then you can… 223 00:18:20.330 --> 00:18:22.790 Simon Davies: Have an article on how… what happened. 224 00:18:24.380 --> 00:18:25.509 Simon Davies: Up to you. 225 00:18:25.510 --> 00:18:27.790 David Sears: That's an offer we can't refuse, I think. 226 00:18:27.790 --> 00:18:28.160 Malcolm Austen: run. 227 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:33.349 Ann .: Yeah, and if David doesn't, then I'll be quite behind him, fast behind him. 228 00:18:33.350 --> 00:18:36.900 Simon Davies: At the end of this, if you email it to me now, at the end, let's do it together. 229 00:18:37.020 --> 00:18:42.989 Simon Davies: It won't take long, we'll do it live on… On camera. Blue Peter. 230 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:44.440 Simon Davies: Mmm. 231 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:49.169 Ann .: Oh, and I have to go… sorry, I'd have to go upstairs and put my computer together. 232 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:52.090 Simon Davies: Together? Why, is it lying in bits? 233 00:18:52.390 --> 00:18:57.839 Ann .: Yeah, it's been lying in bits since I bought it, had it re… I knew one built in March. 234 00:18:58.940 --> 00:18:59.770 Carys Faichney: Brilliant. 235 00:18:59.810 --> 00:19:00.630 Malcolm Austen: Right. 236 00:19:00.910 --> 00:19:03.790 Malcolm Austen: Well, there's an offer. Well. 237 00:19:03.790 --> 00:19:04.810 Ann .: There is an offer. 238 00:19:04.810 --> 00:19:07.319 Malcolm Austen: Sounds like a moment now to, 239 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:17.889 Malcolm Austen: pass the floor over to Simon. I hope you don't mind us continuing to record, just to make it easy to construct something 240 00:19:18.050 --> 00:19:21.200 Malcolm Austen: some summary for the newsletter, Simon. 241 00:19:21.590 --> 00:19:23.200 Simon Davies: No, of course not, no. 242 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:36.519 Malcolm Austen: Fine, let's pass the floor over to Simon now. I can't remember how we're set up here. I think, anyway, I will make Simon a co-host, just to make sure that he can share his screen where he wishes to. 243 00:19:36.870 --> 00:19:39.300 Malcolm Austen: us 244 00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:46.189 Malcolm Austen: So Simon is going to tell us about we are.xyz. 245 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:50.099 Malcolm Austen: Which is his baby, so to speak. 246 00:19:50.350 --> 00:19:56.589 Malcolm Austen: Actually, I think it's a bit older than the baby. It must be at least reached adolescence by now, surely. 247 00:19:57.490 --> 00:19:59.479 Simon Davies: It's a difficult child. 248 00:20:00.890 --> 00:20:02.490 Malcolm Austen: Right. 249 00:20:04.280 --> 00:20:06.580 Simon Davies: Okay, have I got share? I'll, 250 00:20:07.180 --> 00:20:09.580 Malcolm Austen: You should be able to share. Yeah. 251 00:20:09.580 --> 00:20:13.899 Simon Davies: First thing you notice, I managed to get your logo. I hope you appreciate that. Took me… 252 00:20:14.080 --> 00:20:14.979 Malcolm Austen: Look at that. 253 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:15.500 Carys Faichney: Okay. 254 00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:17.520 Simon Davies: minutes 255 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:32.150 Simon Davies: Yeah, great, okay, so I'll take you through this platform that we've got, weare.xyz. Got this rather nifty title, Give Your Past to Future, which can mean all sorts of things, but fundamentally. 256 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:51.650 Simon Davies: We're about preserving, all our stuff, all our family history, and going beyond just the data, and a GEDCOM file that's building on top of that. And I'd say our real essence is we're a technology company, so we're a bunch of technical innovators and entrepreneurs. 257 00:20:52.980 --> 00:21:08.829 Simon Davies: And why, that's it. I happen to have turned my skills and experience to family history because I love it. I'm a massive family historian, and it just occurred to me that it's an imperfect world for preserving stuff and going forward, not least because to really preserve stuff. 258 00:21:09.970 --> 00:21:19.109 Simon Davies: The platforms that are on, and by the way, I don't subscribe to just one platform. I mean, to maximize the probability of stuff surviving, you need it, you know, physical. 259 00:21:19.330 --> 00:21:37.000 Simon Davies: hard… all over, really, but we're trying… we've aimed to come up with something that should sustain and engage people into the future, but the company needs to stay innovating, because what happens is the innovations run ahead of what you did in the past, and… 260 00:21:37.560 --> 00:21:38.759 Simon Davies: really, the… 261 00:21:39.070 --> 00:21:49.869 Simon Davies: the first wave of genealogy software, of which you're very familiar, obviously, with your own, what you've been using, etc. It was quite unfortunate, because it was very innovative technology in. 262 00:21:50.800 --> 00:22:06.740 Simon Davies: in genealogy late nineties into the 2 thousands. But consumer technology at the time had not got into the phase of realizing what it was making would become redundant, and you needed to make it transfer upgradable, migratable to the next 263 00:22:06.740 --> 00:22:14.770 Simon Davies: technologies that come along. And that's largely been solved now, especially with online services. Like, so our platform sits on Amazon Web Services, as do 264 00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:20.869 Simon Davies: majority of major systems around the world. It's either that or Google Cloud or Microsoft azure. 265 00:22:21.300 --> 00:22:30.500 Simon Davies: And they're fundamentally upgrading all the underlying systems, the security, the database containers, the da-da, and leaving you to innovate on top with your product and service. 266 00:22:30.870 --> 00:22:34.409 Simon Davies: Such that it won't become redundant. 267 00:22:34.670 --> 00:22:46.629 Simon Davies: But you can never say it won't ever, and you need to keep in touch, and you know, we've got the AI revolution coming along now, so our company's mission is to always be at the vanguard of innovation that makes our stuff 268 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:58.310 Simon Davies: digestible and interesting. That's a bit too much of a ramble, but I hope that makes sense. A little bit about myself. I was born in the village of Little Shelford, Cambridgeshire. 269 00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:01.690 Simon Davies: My wife's from Texas, got two kids. 270 00:23:01.830 --> 00:23:11.240 Simon Davies: 18 and 20, they've just sort of left. I'm an empty nester, and I'm desperately sad about it. And, as I said, a product designer, tech entrepreneur. 271 00:23:11.340 --> 00:23:25.609 Simon Davies: I started a business with some brilliant Israeli guys back in 2,008, and we made this cloud computing thing to put apps on the old mobile phones, and that grew to 42 million people. And it's now part of Facebook. 272 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:33.570 Simon Davies: Sadly they weren't as wealthy as they are now, so I still live in my last little terrace house in West London, but it was a wonderful experience of 273 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:41.579 Simon Davies: just the fact that you can make something profound that will be used by a lot of people. And that's exactly what we're doing here again. Shropshire Family History Trust. 274 00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:58.839 Simon Davies: Family History Society trustee, as Michael will know, and very much in my nature, and I'm a Thames mudlarker, and that's my foreshore permit. If you go to All About That Place, I did a video on mudlarking down at Hammersmith Bridge. 275 00:23:58.840 --> 00:24:09.750 Simon Davies: Where, in 1916, the local printer. There was a local printer, Emery Walker and Chobden Sanderson. 276 00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:14.850 Simon Davies: Anyway, they developed this typeset called Dove Type. 277 00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:27.099 Simon Davies: and these typefaces were very valuable. It was a real bit of IP for a printer, and they disputed ownership, and the older of the 2 was ordered that when he died he had to bequeath it to the other one. 278 00:24:27.150 --> 00:24:40.639 Simon Davies: Instead, he went on to Hammersmith Bridge and chucked it all off. A whole ton of metal. All the punches, the matrices, the moulds, 170 trips he made at night, dropping it over the edge of the… 279 00:24:40.770 --> 00:24:52.169 Simon Davies: Anyway, I've done the video of that story and all about that place. And I went down to the river, and you can see all the and it's because it's starting to come up. Mudlarkers are finding these these punches. It's brilliant. 280 00:24:52.170 --> 00:25:01.569 Simon Davies: I went down there to video the other day, I didn't find one. I found a bunch of cash machine wireless cards readers, so it wasn't so exciting. Anyway, that's my latest little… 281 00:25:02.020 --> 00:25:18.979 Simon Davies: fully like passion. And then that is a scissor tail firecatcher, that's a nod of the head to my Oklahoman relatives, and Kevin the drone there. I love sending Kevin up over the rural Shropshire countryside. Michael, I send it down, down over Lidbury North, around there, and… 282 00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:27.520 Simon Davies: down Montgomery way, the Vale of Montgomery, where my ancestors were, just so you can get a view of where they I went to. You know, Clan Dussel, Michael, down near Montgomery. 283 00:25:27.820 --> 00:25:28.560 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): No. 284 00:25:28.750 --> 00:25:47.190 Simon Davies: There's a little village down there, nestled away, where my great-great-grandfather and mother lived and farmed, and I found their grave in a deserted graveyard, like the church disappeared in 1860. Came in the drone, took off from the grave, looking down, and then he flew over to where their farm was, and over the fields. 285 00:25:47.370 --> 00:25:47.800 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Ugh. 286 00:25:47.800 --> 00:25:54.529 Simon Davies: And then I compared that with the tithe map. It's just a wonderful way of bringing stuff to life, anyway. 287 00:25:54.860 --> 00:26:04.210 Simon Davies: Okay, so I'm going to talk about what it we are is, we've talked about, we're going to talk about the challenge we're solving, why I think it works, and then we'll have a demo. 288 00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:07.460 Simon Davies: But I'll zip through it. So… 289 00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:13.269 Simon Davies: as I say, it's an archive builder, and it's about persisting across generations. We have a family archive. 290 00:26:13.750 --> 00:26:26.959 Simon Davies: sort of module, I suppose. You can do a one-place study module, you can make blogs. The blogging is sort of integrated, so you can… from your article… from your archive, you, like, hit a button and it goes into your blog. 291 00:26:26.990 --> 00:26:40.140 Simon Davies: Because blogs are a great way of communicating and broadcasting a piece, and maybe even from a private archive, but you really want that information then indexed and categorized properly within an archive. 292 00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:51.329 Simon Davies: And we're on our way… at the bottom, I sort of say we're an online community for lovers of family history and nostalgia, so one of the mechanisms in there is a sort of community 293 00:26:52.260 --> 00:26:57.949 Simon Davies: sort of wrapper in which you can communicate with other genealogists, but also you can create groups. 294 00:26:57.950 --> 00:27:14.060 Simon Davies: So, if you think about, you create an online family archive, it's a bit like a museum. So, people can go in from time to time, but you're not going to spend… your relatives aren't going to spend their life going in and out of it. So, if you have a connected online family group, and every now and again you share something interesting. 295 00:27:14.950 --> 00:27:27.430 Simon Davies: it, and it notifies your family, and they come in. They look at that. It means you can keep a regular. You can build awareness that they have this archive. And that's really, that's really big. Part of this is building the awareness, I might say, on the next one. 296 00:27:27.560 --> 00:27:29.750 Simon Davies: Trying to challenge yourself. 297 00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:38.110 Simon Davies: building awareness that they have a family archive. I think I say that I'm totally getting out of order in these slides. But 298 00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:58.139 Simon Davies: if you think about it, we have a national archive, and we know we have the right to go to the National Archive. Whether, you know, what, 5% of the population may go there, but everyone knows they've got it. Or the county archive, and we have the Shropshire Archive, we all know we could go there, everyone in Shropshire knows they can go there. I grew up in Cambridgeshire, I know there's a Cambridge archive. 299 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:07.600 Simon Davies: How about if you knew you had a family archive, whether you thought you were interested in it or not, and at some point you become interested and you go and look up your family archive? So it's trying to get that sort of mentality. 300 00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:09.989 Simon Davies: And so… 301 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:22.830 Simon Davies: back to this future proof of thing. Just read my notes here. Yeah. So it becomes a family archive that is part of the family, and it crucially, as you'll see in a minute, it personalizes to each member of the family. So it's not like Simon's website where he writes a load of stuff. 302 00:28:22.830 --> 00:28:31.389 Simon Davies: You'll see there's a mechanism whereby, when a relative comes in, it works out who they are, and puts them at the center. So all the information is like a funnel of 303 00:28:31.390 --> 00:28:33.109 Simon Davies: Being relevant to them. 304 00:28:33.220 --> 00:28:51.789 Simon Davies: So that's important. And then the other thing I think that's important for future-proofing and engaging a family is to be of broader appeal than just family history, ironically. So we look at the ancestral history, beyond living memory, and we're fascinated by that. The majority of our family are not. I don't understand why, personally. 305 00:28:52.110 --> 00:28:53.550 Simon Davies: Fools, but they're not. 306 00:28:53.690 --> 00:29:02.559 Simon Davies: But we do have a commonality that you can engage people on nostalgic history. You know your grandparents raising your kids, mucking around with your cousins, etc. 307 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:16.729 Simon Davies: So that starts to, be more engaging for family. But then the last bit, living history, and this is the future past, you know, our own memories as we make them, because we become part of the canon, right? And actually. 308 00:29:17.130 --> 00:29:19.239 Simon Davies: When we pass on. 309 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:42.619 Simon Davies: One of the first things that will help people find the family history work that we've done is their fascination with us, because they'll be nostalgic about us. So keeping a record of ourselves, but also just generally amongst your family, looking for opportunities where they might want to record stuff as it happens. So my daughter went away to university last year and was very, I think she was quite homesick. She was a bit anxious about it. 310 00:29:42.620 --> 00:29:54.320 Simon Davies: And she suddenly got into our archive, and she's done all her family holidays, she's done her school life, and I think you get these inflection points, and the last point here is, like, no pressure, it's there when the time comes. 311 00:29:54.320 --> 00:30:00.930 Simon Davies: You know, I've got my cousin's daughter, she was inspired to do some stuff around the birth of her children, you know, so… 312 00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:07.539 Simon Davies: It's it's not just about tech, it's about a bit of an ethos and a philosophy as well, I think is what I'm trying to communicate. 313 00:30:08.780 --> 00:30:24.089 Simon Davies: Well, I'm just mentioning here, so as Michael will know, the One Place Studies side of it, we've used that archive to make, the Shropshire Family History Hub, which is a work in progress, where we're mapping all the… all the locations in Shropshire. 314 00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:29.349 Simon Davies: and then inviting people, or either linking to like local history sites or inviting people to. 315 00:30:29.930 --> 00:30:30.480 Sheila Culross: you. 316 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:38.529 Simon Davies: the fantastic bits of research they may have done on a place or their family's involvement with a place. And it's very rewarding and 317 00:30:38.760 --> 00:30:43.370 Simon Davies: We just have people exposing vast amounts of knowledge on, 318 00:30:43.670 --> 00:30:47.190 Simon Davies: The places are… and so this is a community, and 319 00:30:47.710 --> 00:30:52.309 Simon Davies: Michael, I don't know if you get emails from it occasionally when we put something up of interest. 320 00:30:52.310 --> 00:30:53.060 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Yes. 321 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:58.139 Simon Davies: So it has the same ethos. It's like, how… if you have a heart, if you have this… 322 00:30:58.550 --> 00:31:16.500 Simon Davies: center for finding stuff up about the county, but again, it's a bit like a museum, you go in there from time to time. So we'll put up something of… I mean, I'll show you something in a minute. We'll put up something of interest into the Shropshire Family History member group, and myself, Michael, all the other members who are digital, which isn't everyone. 323 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:20.409 Simon Davies: We'll get an email and go and check that out. So again, this… 324 00:31:20.950 --> 00:31:35.719 Simon Davies: getting, getting this, getting the most interesting stuff we do exposed and shouting out and saying, I'm here, I'm here. So that's another example of that. Right, let's go and do a little demonstration. Move this. 325 00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:38.900 Simon Davies: PowerPoint, over there. 326 00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:40.960 Simon Davies: Onto the other screen. 327 00:31:41.320 --> 00:31:45.790 Simon Davies: And… here we are. So, I am in my family archive. 328 00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:55.029 Simon Davies: That's me in purple. I've just got a setting that makes it blurred, because when you're recording, you don't want living people. There's details getting out there. 329 00:31:55.170 --> 00:32:06.169 Simon Davies: So there's a family tree, and I started it by uploading the Gedcom, which is by far the most effective way of kicking things off. So you just go and download your Gedcom, throw it in there. 330 00:32:06.610 --> 00:32:08.669 Simon Davies: See, I've got some notifications here. 331 00:32:09.260 --> 00:32:18.679 Simon Davies: That'll be to do with stuff happening in these groups that I'm talking about. That's good. And you have this sort of struck. This is a home, this home level structure. 332 00:32:19.290 --> 00:32:26.070 Simon Davies: Where these are the buckets of stuff that you can build up. So obviously media pictures and things, occasions. 333 00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:38.959 Simon Davies: Artifacts, places. I love artifacts and places. They're just the recording those things. Artifacts especially where, you know, only one person can physically have it, but here you can share it with everyone. And. 334 00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:50.540 Simon Davies: The 1st thing I'm going to show is this technical point about being the center of it. So if I look at the families menu up here. So what it's done is it's worked out. Excuse me, it's worked out. 335 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:53.119 Simon Davies: All the surnames I'm descended from. 336 00:32:53.300 --> 00:33:02.570 Simon Davies: Paternal on the left, maternal on the right, and the generation that they came in. And I can then click and go into each family. Now, I'm going to go to a different tab. 337 00:33:02.930 --> 00:33:10.670 Simon Davies: Where I've logged in as my… it's actually a different server, but as my cousin. So if I go over to my cousin… 338 00:33:11.110 --> 00:33:16.069 Simon Davies: So that's my cousin Tim there again, blurred because he's alive, and if I go over to the right. 339 00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:24.319 Simon Davies: That's me there. So he's come in, he's the center of it. Now, obviously, I'm the most active person in it initially, so a lot of the stuff… 340 00:33:25.250 --> 00:33:43.550 Simon Davies: Most of the stuff comes from me at this stage, but he can engage with the bits that's really useful and interesting, directly relevant to him. And if he looks in his family's menu, it's worked it out relative to him. So Coulson is his father, and that's not my bloodline at all. It's my uncle Ken, and I've got plenty of stuff on him. 341 00:33:43.560 --> 00:33:45.770 Simon Davies: But he then has… 342 00:33:46.090 --> 00:33:53.429 Simon Davies: The family's archive from HIMSpective, and that makes a difference in terms of making it feel relevant and interesting. 343 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:57.960 Simon Davies: So I'll go back to me, and really I'll just have a… have a look around, so… 344 00:33:58.120 --> 00:34:01.579 Simon Davies: Let's go… what should we do? We'll go. 345 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.769 Simon Davies: Let's go families. Let's go and have a look at the Davies family. 346 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:11.300 Simon Davies: Researching Davies is in Wales, in Montgomery and Shropshire. Absolute joy. 347 00:34:13.420 --> 00:34:28.820 Simon Davies: especially the ones that were married to Hughes, Jones, and the like. So anyway, I'm in the family section, it's broken out and shown how I'm descended from the Davies family. If I went to my cousin Tim, it would show how he's descended, again, personalising it. 348 00:34:28.969 --> 00:34:31.420 Simon Davies: In fact, if I go and look at, let's go and look at a family. 349 00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:39.620 Simon Davies: the Chelmic family. So that's 1 going way back. So that shows you how I'm descended from the Chelmic family. If I go over to Tim. 350 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.169 Simon Davies: There's a Chalmix on the maternal side here. 351 00:34:43.790 --> 00:34:49.409 Simon Davies: And that's showing how he's descended from the Chalmick family, so it's always personalizing it. 352 00:34:49.620 --> 00:34:57.099 Simon Davies: But I'll go to the Davies family again. So I've got. 353 00:34:57.730 --> 00:35:00.919 Simon Davies: I've written an overview, and it's a very… 354 00:35:01.060 --> 00:35:08.849 Simon Davies: Simple to use editor that allows you basically to create web pages and, and there are lots of tools in there specific to genealogists like you can build. 355 00:35:09.640 --> 00:35:25.189 Simon Davies: But down here you've got. This is a custom tree, so I can just construct it in this editor. I go like that person, that person, that person, and it constructs this tree, and these are all live. You can click and go through to them. You can interlink everything. So this is an overview of the Davies. 356 00:35:25.390 --> 00:35:37.950 Simon Davies: But then there's links off to far more detailed dives into, various aspects of it. So what I've chosen to do is say, well, where are we from? Shropshire, Valet, Montgomery. 357 00:35:39.170 --> 00:35:45.879 Simon Davies: And this is what it looks like. Lovely Cornedon. Have you climbed Cornedon, Michael? Have you ever climbed Cornedon? 358 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:46.550 Tom Hart: being. 359 00:35:46.550 --> 00:35:47.420 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Oh no. 360 00:35:47.420 --> 00:35:48.690 Tom Hart: Oh, beautiful. 361 00:35:48.690 --> 00:36:07.150 Simon Davies: That's looking out from Montgomery on a snowy day across the Vale of Montgomeryshire. And then all these various images. Oh, this is from Montgomery Castle. That's Cornedon, the hill in the background. My father grew up in the town of Newport in North Shropshire, and they called their house Cornedon. It's an echo to their past. 362 00:36:07.270 --> 00:36:13.889 Simon Davies: That's taken from the Longmen, Michael. That's actually Caderidris on the Welsh coast. 363 00:36:13.890 --> 00:36:14.680 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Okay. 364 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:23.689 Simon Davies: That's quite a unique day, I think you'd agree, to be able to see that far. You're looking across entire Wales to Cadwydras. 365 00:36:23.790 --> 00:36:39.490 Simon Davies: And then I go into like the earliest I've got back is this guy William Davies. I've tracked down where he lived, I've knocked on the door, had to look around. This is this is his family unit, and then I move on to the next one. The first, the great-great-grand, the great-great-grandparents, the first ones we can see. 366 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:51.080 Simon Davies: She's a Jones. These are Davies, and they lived on the Folly farm and the Folly farm here. This is taken with a box camera by my grandfather in about 1810. 367 00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:51.680 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Oh. 368 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:59.860 Simon Davies: And then I'm starting to map, I'm mapping here where they… where he lived, so if I open that up. 369 00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:06.129 Simon Davies: So you started at Petrocoon, and I can… we have this lovely 3D mapping thing, so I can go in and… 370 00:37:06.870 --> 00:37:09.789 Simon Davies: Have a look. So he was… he was from there. 371 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.059 Simon Davies: So they're on the side of the Vale of Montgomery, there's a Kerry Ridgeway up there. 372 00:37:14.770 --> 00:37:18.790 Simon Davies: And if we look around, that's looking back down the Vale at Montgomery. 373 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:26.800 Simon Davies: in the distance. There's Montgomery there. So I was looking out from Montgomery, and there's Castle things so we can really explore. 374 00:37:27.770 --> 00:37:31.160 Simon Davies: where they lived, and he moved then to the Folly Farm, which is over here. 375 00:37:32.520 --> 00:37:42.510 Simon Davies: And this is where my grandfather and my great-grandfather and my father and all his cousins went as children. Yeah, it's a really quite important place to the family. 376 00:37:42.700 --> 00:37:49.650 Simon Davies: Anyway, so that's that generation, and then I go into my great-grandfather's generation, where they… all the cousins intermarried, which explains a lot. 377 00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:54.030 Simon Davies: That you'd like to share? 378 00:37:55.300 --> 00:37:56.600 Simon Davies: And… 379 00:37:57.250 --> 00:38:07.419 Simon Davies: Then we get so great. That's my grandfather there. So these wonderful photos, if I do a close up there, I can see a little face in there, and I'm really frustrated that I can't detect who it might be. 380 00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:17.790 Simon Davies: That's anyway. And then… and so on, so I just go down the generations. That's my dad there, the cheeky little chap in the middle, lovely. So that's how I've chosen to… 381 00:38:18.060 --> 00:38:22.019 Simon Davies: Describe the Davies family, I do it for all sorts of families, so if you were to look at 382 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.300 Simon Davies: family And I always espouse to people, I say, like, when you're writing about anything or anyone. 383 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:44.220 Simon Davies: make sure you just start with something interesting, don't be too factual. So I start the overview of the Poole family, drawing on my great-great-grandfather's diary, where he made… he noted… I noted that in it, there were a lot of accidents involving pony and traps. 384 00:38:44.680 --> 00:38:52.479 Simon Davies: The Pooles teach us that pony and trap riding was a hazardous affair, as the extracts of Thomas Poole's diary show. My mother was thrown out of her trap. 385 00:38:52.700 --> 00:39:02.639 Simon Davies: 16th of February 1860. My son Thomas, thrown out of trap near Newport, going to Mr. Vaughan's of Campton. Concussion of the brain, had a hospital nurse there tending to him a long time. 386 00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:18.170 Simon Davies: Came home June 15th, unconscious for many days, 24th March 1891. But the one I like is here. Geoffrey, that's his brother, as coming from church, upset Aunt Farmer and old Mrs. Griffins out of the trap, was looking too much at Miss Crane just before him. 387 00:39:19.570 --> 00:39:23.360 Simon Davies: 17th of November 1861. And he married, 388 00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:33.239 Simon Davies: Sarah Crane. So I think it was well, well noted and spotted, but sadly she had an epileptic fit and died in her forties. 389 00:39:33.240 --> 00:39:33.690 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): the. 390 00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:36.109 Simon Davies: But they lived in Atcham. 391 00:39:36.250 --> 00:39:43.469 Simon Davies: And this, my parents have this. This is this is a silver platter for Jeffrey and Miss Crane, his wife. 392 00:39:43.770 --> 00:39:54.829 Simon Davies: It's the 1876 Turnip Prize, and it's given by G. Hadfield and Co, who are manure manufacturers of Liverpool. 393 00:39:54.830 --> 00:39:55.510 sheila jelley: Ha ha ha! 394 00:39:57.090 --> 00:39:57.969 Simon Davies: So, 395 00:39:57.970 --> 00:39:58.550 sheila jelley: go. 396 00:39:58.550 --> 00:40:05.069 Simon Davies: That impressive, I mean, look, they've gone to town on like, for your turnips, you get the silver platter from a manure company, I love that. 397 00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:09.029 Simon Davies: anyway. So that's the that's the pool family, and I can give you a 398 00:40:09.370 --> 00:40:16.290 Simon Davies: like a little dig in a little glimpse into how I started my fascination with family history in here, because in here I have 399 00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:22.760 Simon Davies: in artifacts. So the artifact I have associated with the pools, and in fact, I should index a few more in 400 00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:24.649 Simon Davies: It's this little pocketbook. 401 00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:33.600 Simon Davies: Now, this little pocketbook, I'll go to the complete document. It's dated 1833. It's actually a ledger. 402 00:40:33.770 --> 00:40:36.450 Simon Davies: Okay, you know, financial ledger book. 403 00:40:36.660 --> 00:40:39.079 Simon Davies: Except this one wasn't used for that. 404 00:40:40.100 --> 00:40:48.960 Simon Davies: So you can see it says 1833. It's got Jay Poole. That's another Jeffrey Poole. But further back than that, I think he's like 4 times great uncle. 405 00:40:49.550 --> 00:40:54.440 Simon Davies: And this pocketbook… It's basically full of his family history research notes. 406 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:55.000 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): No. 407 00:40:56.670 --> 00:41:06.490 Simon Davies: And my grandmother, who was born in 1897 and had had strokes, and so when I was a 10-year-old, she'd be bound to a chair and she would show me this little pocketbook. 408 00:41:06.850 --> 00:41:19.440 Simon Davies: She died in 1985, sadly. And then years later, my aunt died, and there was a wake in the house, and I came across this pocketbook again. I went to my uncle, I said, look, I know what it is, do you mind if I… 409 00:41:19.530 --> 00:41:37.819 Simon Davies: take it, but to preserve it, and I digitized it and shared it with everyone. But it had things like this. Treff Nanny Farm. After great-grandfather's death, this widow kept up the dislike to eldest son Geoffrey for marrying against wishes. She sold £600 worth of timber off the estate, and every available bit of stock left the house in ruins so that when the son 410 00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:49.210 Simon Davies: came into possession. There was nothing but bare land. Oh, brilliant, fantastic! So the 1st thing I had to do in my family history was find Trefnani Farm, and that is the 1st thing I did, and I'll show you in a minute. 411 00:41:49.310 --> 00:41:56.330 Simon Davies: But some other pages on here, and all these dates and peoples and little anecdotes, but one that I'd rather… 412 00:41:56.390 --> 00:42:13.890 Simon Davies: amazed by this. This, it says, copied from Lansan Freud register, February the second, 1836. He's gone to Lansan Freud in McCain Church by Lanny Monarch there, and he's gone around the church, all the graveyards, all the records, and he's recorded them all. So it goes back into the 1600s because none of this will exist anymore. 413 00:42:13.950 --> 00:42:24.370 Simon Davies: I mean, yeah, this guy himself, if there's a gravestone to him somewhere, it would be illegible, it's that old. So I just… oh, I'm so grateful for this pocketbook, it's… 414 00:42:24.490 --> 00:42:26.069 Simon Davies: Give me absolute joy. 415 00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:33.180 Simon Davies: But if I look at… if I go back to… where should I go? Pools, and then we look at places to do with pools. 416 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.669 Simon Davies: You will see that I found Treftany Bank, and here it is. So let's go and have a look at Treftany Bank. 417 00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:46.949 Simon Davies: That's where it is, and that's… Kevin the drone went up to inspect it, and it's nestled down here. It's not. 418 00:42:47.100 --> 00:42:49.700 Simon Davies: Actually, I… in my mind. 419 00:42:49.820 --> 00:43:01.100 Simon Davies: It was on a well in my child's mind. It was on a Welsh mountainside driving rain, bleak and bitter. But this lives. They're actually nestled into the verdant valley between the river Vernwy and the river Severn. 420 00:43:01.900 --> 00:43:08.480 Simon Davies: That's my mother several years ago. She she was the first to find it. I wasn't with her. 421 00:43:08.830 --> 00:43:17.849 Simon Davies: And it's really ramshackle. This is a Dutch barn that's preserved because it has this thin latticework oak panels on it. I don't think it's going to last much longer. 422 00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:24.329 Simon Davies: And there's… these are various things out of the. 423 00:43:24.450 --> 00:43:29.019 Simon Davies: that pocketbook, so it even talks about how some cousin left it to his other cousin. 424 00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:34.060 Simon Davies: and etc, etc. And then here's the family tree of how my grandmother here 425 00:43:34.330 --> 00:43:36.679 Simon Davies: Goes up through all these people. 426 00:43:37.940 --> 00:43:48.020 Simon Davies: Geoffrey married Mary Lloyd, but his parents, Geoffrey and Jane, disapproved of her, although she sounds as if she was lovely. And then at the bottom of the farm track is this chapel. 427 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:55.420 Simon Davies: And in the grounds are loads of these relatives. It took me a while to find them. And this is… 428 00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:14.400 Simon Davies: this I love this picture. So this that is the grave of my 4 times great grandfather, the one who married against wishes. But that's my dad, me and my son. So the generations you have, I mean, so that that's his 5th 5 times great grandfather, and we had to cut it out pretty much scrape away to 429 00:44:14.670 --> 00:44:16.039 Simon Davies: We had the, 430 00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:25.510 Simon Davies: We had the Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society monumental inscriptions for, and they just they've done an amazing job of 431 00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:44.299 Simon Davies: sketching it. But this is how I found it. It was on… I got from the Welsh, archive, the tithe map, from, what, around 1841, and there it was. That's the first time I found it. I was like, holy cow. Treff means farm, as it means town, and nanny, or nanau, sometimes the Welsh pronounce it AU. 432 00:44:44.370 --> 00:44:50.950 Simon Davies: Means of the Nanau, and the Nanau were one of the two sort of princely families. There's actually a village. 433 00:44:51.450 --> 00:45:03.020 Simon Davies: called Nanau in central Wales, with a big stately home near it that I think might be derelict. I'm not sure. But so it's a town of the whole townships called Trefnanny. So it's a town. It's a town of the Nanau, i.e. They were the 434 00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:08.239 Simon Davies: overlying doors. So I found that out along the way, and 435 00:45:08.570 --> 00:45:11.130 Simon Davies: I'll give you a little bit. I'll give you a bit of Kevin. 436 00:45:11.300 --> 00:45:12.400 Simon Davies: So, Kevin… 437 00:45:12.890 --> 00:45:18.709 Simon Davies: I'll fast forward through it. So he takes off from the cemetery, and you can see there's another grave there in the grass. 438 00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:32.630 Simon Davies: that literally using the map, we just found a bit of a dimple, and we cut the whole thing out, and there was an ancestor underneath. I don't know if the groundsman would have thanked us or not, but I feel that the person there to have a grave, so. 439 00:45:32.660 --> 00:45:39.030 Simon Davies: We exposed his grave again. And basically, Kevin goes up from the cemetery. 440 00:45:41.310 --> 00:45:53.139 Simon Davies: He looks down, he's looking down on the cemetery, and I put those notes in there. There are loads of people buried there from this family. This is the map, great map showing us where the graves were. 441 00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:02.869 Simon Davies: And then he flies off to Cleford Downey Bank, and that's it there coming. So you can see all these fields and these fence lines. 442 00:46:03.160 --> 00:46:04.870 Simon Davies: They're all on. 443 00:46:04.870 --> 00:46:05.480 sheila jelley: you. 444 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:06.680 Simon Davies: 1841. 445 00:46:07.910 --> 00:46:11.199 Simon Davies: I'll leave Kevin there, so Kevin's a good bit of fun. 446 00:46:11.470 --> 00:46:19.689 Simon Davies: So I found Trif Daddy Bank. So I'm just giving you an example of the sorts of things I record. If I go back to the home level, though, that's 447 00:46:20.310 --> 00:46:27.080 Simon Davies: Think about, some great projects that I put in here. I think we'll go to… 448 00:46:28.040 --> 00:46:30.910 Simon Davies: A World War I story. So here's my grandfather. 449 00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:37.429 Simon Davies: I won't do Henry Davies, but he got eaten by a shark in Queensland, and that's another story. 450 00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:53.210 Simon Davies: If we go over here, you've got my great-grandfather's brother, John Davies, who was mayor of Much Wendock towards the end of his life, and they're all buried over in Much Wendock. But you look at his family here, I mean, it's a tragic family. They were clearly a lovely nuclear family. 451 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:59.330 Simon Davies: in this farm near Much Wenlock, but you can see the eldest two were killed in World War I. 452 00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:01.910 Simon Davies: And actually, Brian here, the youngest. 453 00:47:02.020 --> 00:47:09.740 Simon Davies: You see, he dies in 1918. He didn't go to war. He was. He died of Spanish flu back on the farm. 454 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:29.569 Simon Davies: And… I was into… if I scroll sideways, that's my grandfather. So it's his cousin. Well, I pointed out to my dad, so my dad is called Brian with a Y. I said, Dad. your dad named you after his cousin Brian with a Y. It just makes it that much more personal and… 455 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:36.019 Simon Davies: Anyway, George here, I have gone to town tracking down the very field in which he 456 00:47:36.330 --> 00:47:42.360 Simon Davies: was obliterated on the Western Front, so if I look at all the research I've done on him. 457 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:47.159 Simon Davies: A bit about his short life and his final days. I start with his short life. 458 00:47:47.870 --> 00:47:53.390 Simon Davies: He… Grew up on this farm, Marsh Farm. 459 00:47:53.530 --> 00:47:55.110 Simon Davies: Absolutely stunning. 460 00:47:55.220 --> 00:47:56.060 Simon Davies: Property. 461 00:47:56.200 --> 00:48:02.960 Simon Davies: But interestingly, I worked out that he was born in Aberystwyth. I was like, what? Because none of them ever lived in Aberystwyth. 462 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:11.680 Simon Davies: And of course, what I uncovered was John Davies, my grandfather's uncle, basically had impregnated his 463 00:48:12.700 --> 00:48:17.549 Simon Davies: 20… he was 31, he impregnated his 20-year-old cousin, first cousin. 464 00:48:18.560 --> 00:48:21.740 Simon Davies: And they had clearly been sent to Aberystwyth. 465 00:48:21.870 --> 00:48:37.159 Simon Davies: to get married, and then come back when they had the baby. And this much Wednock farm is sort of on the other side of the county. But they clearly were very, very happy, and raised a big family, and my dad's cousin's mother 466 00:48:37.390 --> 00:48:42.920 Simon Davies: My dad's cousin can tell me about his mother remembering this lady. 467 00:48:43.580 --> 00:48:45.279 Simon Davies: And their family. 468 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:56.519 Simon Davies: Anyway, that's where he grew up, and what is distinctive about George is that he left. I'll just go to George. He left a 180 page 469 00:48:58.170 --> 00:49:12.170 Simon Davies: diary of the Battle of… from the First World War. So, and he actually was in the Australian Army. I'll come to why. He enlisted as an enlistment, but this… the… 470 00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:19.660 Simon Davies: Australian War Memorial Library in Canberra. Basically, they had this printout which would have been from 471 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:28.519 Simon Davies: 1918-19, because they basically got hold of it, because they decided it would be important to keep a copy of it. And they digitized it for me and sent it to me, which is a bit of a fad. 472 00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:34.159 Simon Davies: So I was able with it and unit war diaries to put his life together. 473 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:35.390 Simon Davies: Oh. 474 00:49:36.650 --> 00:49:38.359 Simon Davies: I think I won't go through… 475 00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:41.290 Simon Davies: I'll do his final days, but… so… 476 00:49:41.890 --> 00:49:48.579 Simon Davies: I did. I plotted his life out first of all, mapping wise, so we can tour around 477 00:49:48.750 --> 00:50:01.310 Simon Davies: He was born in Aberystwyth, lives on the Marsh Farm, goes to Abbey School in Tewkesbury, trains at Cliff College to be a Methodist minister, then gets to Liverpool, and boom! 478 00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:20.160 Simon Davies: Off to Australia and they were doing a recruitment drive. He was a Methodist minister, missionary in, Australia, and they were doing a recruitment drive down the coast and he, he enlisted. So then he gets to Sydney, gets on the Beltana troop ship, stops in at Cape Town, gets to Devonport. 479 00:50:21.470 --> 00:50:25.510 Simon Davies: Up to Larkhill Training Camp, down to Southampton and across to Loch Arville. 480 00:50:25.720 --> 00:50:34.360 Simon Davies: That picture there is actually all the marches that they did to their billets when they arrived, not them, all troops when they arrived in La Havre. 481 00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:42.309 Simon Davies: on a train to this place, Bayeux, however you pronounce it, based in Armontier for a while, and fighting at the front nearby. 482 00:50:42.380 --> 00:51:01.319 Simon Davies: Then on. He was involved in the battle on the scene on the 7th of June, 1917, and then another attack on the June 10th of June, and then final resting place, or where he was obliterated, and he's on the Menin Gate. So that's a whiz through his life. 483 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.780 Simon Davies: Bit of background to World War One. 484 00:51:04.630 --> 00:51:05.460 Simon Davies: But. 485 00:51:05.610 --> 00:51:13.350 Simon Davies: Really, I'm concentrating on the Battle of Messines and Passchendaele, so these are all original maps. And I got hold of the unit war diaries. 486 00:51:13.620 --> 00:51:16.339 Simon Davies: For his battalion and company. 487 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:32.019 Simon Davies: And then it all just came to life. I could track him down, that, with his diary. So, like, I mean, he puts his diary here. This… this is… oh, sorry, this will be… let me just get rid of that… this will be the last time I shall write in the diary, this diary before the Great Push. It may be the last time I shall ever write. 488 00:51:32.050 --> 00:51:49.289 Simon Davies: The time is now ripe for the moment when we go over the top and advance to the enemy trenches. I am to go with the boys, and I'm not sorry to be able to do so. I have made my peace with God, and trust in Christ my Saviour to bring me to eternal life. Light. I may be killed. I welcome such a death as freedom from this on earth. 489 00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:56.950 Simon Davies: With these last few words, I close this diary and await with calmness and patience the time of fighting. And that was the last time he wrote in his diary. 490 00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:00.220 Simon Davies: But in the Union War Diaries, he is… 491 00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:19.960 Simon Davies: when they go for the battle machine, they assemble at this D company assembles at this trench on the left of Prowse Point, in a deep, fairly safe piece of trench off Ontario Avenue, adjacent to the RE dump. So this is a trench map from the time. Here's Prowse Point. Oop, yeah, here's Prowse Point. You can see the roads in the background. 492 00:52:20.410 --> 00:52:26.140 Simon Davies: This is Ontario Avenue trench, so he was in this trench here. That's where he assembled. 493 00:52:26.650 --> 00:52:40.369 Simon Davies: And if we take a closer look, I've traced it onto the actual map, so he would have been here, this trench here, that's Prowse Point. In the Passchendale Museum, there is a video of Prowse Point. 494 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.420 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Who? 495 00:52:41.630 --> 00:52:46.690 Simon Davies: So I'll put a still there, but that is a video. It's just ridiculous. And that's me. 496 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.320 Simon Davies: At Prowse Point, with my arm, Reaching over the, 497 00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:59.719 Simon Davies: The trench would be roughly below my arm. So I tracked him down and that's the unit war diary saying what happened at zero hour. 498 00:53:00.060 --> 00:53:06.880 Simon Davies: And then they moved up to this Grey Farm area, and they did an attack on this place called Pottery Farm. 499 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:14.890 Simon Davies: And it's got all the details of what they did there, and grid references and everything. So this is the Tack and Pottery Farm, and I sort of recreated that. 500 00:53:15.530 --> 00:53:25.019 Simon Davies: A brief respite gets sent behind the lines. So I'm tracking him. So from Pottery Farm he's gone back behind the lines, and then he comes forward again to here. 501 00:53:25.470 --> 00:53:31.999 Simon Davies: And people at the Great War Forum, there was such help. So one guy sent me this. 502 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.950 Simon Davies: Matt here said, you want the yellow area. 503 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:41.210 Simon Davies: This yellow area is where his life ended and played out, so… He was… 504 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:45.109 Simon Davies: The front is just here. He's in a support trench here. 505 00:53:45.370 --> 00:54:00.580 Simon Davies: And you see this green, this is a push cart railway, and there's this relay post here where they take the injured and the dead. And you'll see that you'll notice there, there's Fanny Farm, so remember that. So he's based in this trench, and remember that relay post and Fanny Farm. 506 00:54:00.950 --> 00:54:04.599 Simon Davies: They will come become important. It's my little tracing job. 507 00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:11.670 Simon Davies: Shelling detail. This is him. He's died. And you see these other private cross. 508 00:54:12.520 --> 00:54:14.900 Simon Davies: Private Davies, Private O'Leary. 509 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.179 Simon Davies: Company D. 510 00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:21.780 Simon Davies: and then killed in action. So that's the actual in the unit war diary. 511 00:54:21.830 --> 00:54:35.029 Simon Davies: And one of the guys on the Great War Forum sent me this. This is a Red Cross witness statement, and it says, of Cross. So this is Cross here, this guy, Private Cross. This is a witness statement of the death of Private Cross. I saw him killed beyond the scene early in July. 512 00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:54.980 Simon Davies: He was asleep in his dugout with Sergeant H. Goodsir of D Company, who was also asleep. It was in support trenches, and at the time, there were occasional shells coming over. I was a few yards away and saw a shell land right in their dugout. His arm was almost severed, and a big piece of timber driven right into his chest. He just called out once, but his death was also instantaneous. 513 00:54:55.040 --> 00:55:05.960 Simon Davies: etc. And it says down here, I have seen his grave. The service was read by Signal Davies, and now that's my ancestor, George Davies, who got killed the same evening. 514 00:55:06.140 --> 00:55:12.549 Simon Davies: The grave is on the right of, he means Fanny Farm, east of Messine. There were about six graves there. 515 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:14.149 Simon Davies: So, and then… 516 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:21.369 Simon Davies: This is also on the role of honor there at the Australian Born Memorial, and said, killed after Messine, whilst burying 2 friends. Well. 517 00:55:22.590 --> 00:55:23.930 Simon Davies: 1, 2. 518 00:55:24.040 --> 00:55:26.210 Simon Davies: The company, and himself. 519 00:55:26.460 --> 00:55:28.300 Simon Davies: And of course, what happened was… 520 00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:37.830 Simon Davies: He was a Methodist minister, so at these impromptu battle, background burials, they would just say, oh, could you do this, you know, do a quick service? 521 00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:44.329 Simon Davies: And then somebody else from the Great War Forum sent me this that shows 60 rounds of a certain type of shell. 522 00:55:44.430 --> 00:55:59.309 Simon Davies: fell on these grid references at the fateful time, and if I shade over those grid references, you'll see here's the support trench he was in, here's the push railway, here's the relay post where they took the injured and the dead. 523 00:55:59.540 --> 00:56:03.689 Simon Davies: This is Fanny Farm up here. They were burying them in here. 524 00:56:04.680 --> 00:56:14.409 Simon Davies: Yeah, they were burying them in there. So clearly, they got 60 shells dropped on them while they were burying those people, so that was bad timing, basically. 525 00:56:14.520 --> 00:56:21.690 Simon Davies: And of course, we had to send up again our passport. 526 00:56:22.770 --> 00:56:24.070 Simon Davies: Go back a bit. 527 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:33.919 Simon Davies: So… That… that… there… this is what… imagine the push cart railway is going underneath us. 528 00:56:34.950 --> 00:56:42.669 Simon Davies: That's the relay station about on the apex, where that building is. Fanny Farm is behind the trees there, so this area here is where they were. 529 00:56:45.770 --> 00:56:58.999 Simon Davies: Fast-forwarding it… I mean, he has a whole look over the whole battlefield, and actually, you can name… like, that's called Hun Row or something. It maps all the trenches when you just look out over the landscape. Once you've got to know it, you know exactly what you're looking at. 530 00:56:59.140 --> 00:57:06.500 Simon Davies: But I think he… There's a still actually I'll go ahead. 531 00:57:06.990 --> 00:57:11.779 Simon Davies: In that footage, I cut this out, so this shows you where he died. 532 00:57:11.950 --> 00:57:17.100 Simon Davies: I went and bought back some mud from that field, which I'm going to go and put in the, 533 00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:20.460 Simon Davies: In the farmyard where he, where he grew up, so. 534 00:57:20.610 --> 00:57:21.520 Simon Davies: And… 535 00:57:21.930 --> 00:57:31.019 Simon Davies: He he writes really well. I don't know if you read that book, my uncle Harry, by Michael Palin, which is a similar sort of account of his his ancestor in World War one. 536 00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:37.150 Simon Davies: But he puts monosyllabic. He just says, you know, where in his diary, where's this guy? 537 00:57:37.240 --> 00:57:42.269 Simon Davies: Listen to this trench conditions are not the best. So he's literally in a trench in 1916. 538 00:57:42.290 --> 00:57:56.819 Simon Davies: One wallows in a sea of mud. One's clothes get muddy. The rifle is absolutely hidden in mud, mud here, mud there, mud everywhere. You walk in mud, you talk in mud. You look over a parapet of mud, and a paradise of mud is behind you. When a shell strikes in your vicinity it covers you with mud. 539 00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:02.630 Simon Davies: When you eat food, you find it spread over with mud, and your breakfast, dinner, tea, and supper is bread and mud. 540 00:58:02.630 --> 00:58:07.519 Simon Davies: These were the conditions when, in 1916 Ad. We fought the Germans or the Bosch or the Hun. 541 00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:17.210 Simon Davies: It's just brilliant, isn't it? To read all that stuff. Anyway, he's on the Menin Gate, and that's his sad life, and now I need to track down his… 542 00:58:17.570 --> 00:58:21.440 Simon Davies: brother, who was in the Egyptian Expeditionary Force, and which 543 00:58:21.600 --> 00:58:34.920 Simon Davies: Killed on the 28th of September 1918, just after crossing the River Jordan, and is buried in Haifa Commonwealth grave, a war thing, and then sadly, with the situation in the Middle East, I don't know when I'll be able to get there, but no one has been to see him. 544 00:58:35.050 --> 00:58:44.779 Simon Davies: And I know that he has inscribed on his grave, undying love, mother and father. And you just think they would never have been able to go out and even see the grave of their child. It's just awful. 545 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.100 Simon Davies: Anyway… So that's an example of… 546 00:58:48.740 --> 00:59:02.989 Simon Davies: some stuff, so I suppose I should probably, get a bit more specific about the product, I suppose. You have this community area where people post, stuff just to share with other genealogists, and we can all… we all know each other and comment. 547 00:59:03.530 --> 00:59:10.409 Simon Davies: It has shortcuts into my archives and bookmarks I've got into my various archives. 548 00:59:10.970 --> 00:59:15.659 Simon Davies: We have the groups, so we've got the We Are Members group, we've got the Shropshire group. 549 00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:23.000 Simon Davies: I've got Davies Family Group for my family, Queensland, there's lots of Australian groups propping up. 550 00:59:23.730 --> 00:59:31.530 Simon Davies: And this is where people share. So this is my mudlarking thing. If you want to go and check it out the video for mudlarking with the all about that place. 551 00:59:31.660 --> 00:59:33.890 Simon Davies: But, you know, just got people… 552 00:59:34.370 --> 00:59:38.270 Simon Davies: Throwing stuff in there, it's, it's great. 553 00:59:40.590 --> 00:59:46.849 Simon Davies: So that's the social side of it, and then you, Should probably show you, 554 00:59:48.070 --> 00:59:52.129 Simon Davies: So I go community, and I get, say, my index here. I'll go to 555 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.409 Simon Davies: Well, I can go to the Shropshire History Hub, actually. So this is where we're 556 00:59:57.550 --> 01:00:01.149 Simon Davies: We're mapping, Shropshire. There's about 5 of us. 557 01:00:01.810 --> 01:00:11.739 Simon Davies: And we have our various projects, so we've got Shropshire Churches, because we have a wonderful catalogue of images from one of our members, John Ravenscar. We're looking at war memorials. 558 01:00:12.040 --> 01:00:14.140 Simon Davies: Monumental inscriptions, notable people. 559 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:20.329 Simon Davies: probably going to get into house histories, but we can get into anything. It's a very flexible platform, and these are the projects we're doing at the moment. 560 01:00:20.900 --> 01:00:23.700 Simon Davies: But it's a lot of fun. 561 01:00:27.060 --> 01:00:33.229 Simon Davies: Doing the research, because you just discussed… so, like, this place… Where's Apton? 562 01:00:34.050 --> 01:00:38.060 Simon Davies: I'd started… this is where I started, Apton. Okay. 563 01:00:38.410 --> 01:00:41.830 Simon Davies: It's underneath the Brown Clee Hill. 564 01:00:42.990 --> 01:00:51.070 Simon Davies: And the one thing about Abdom is it's one of those medieval deserted villages, so it's… there's the church, but there's hardly anything around it, because they all deserted it to do with the Black Death. 565 01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:59.409 Simon Davies: Let's go… I'll go into the places… I'll show you… 566 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.579 Simon Davies: Where shall I show you? I'll show you… 567 01:01:03.700 --> 01:01:04.380 sheila jelley: Hmm. 568 01:01:04.600 --> 01:01:05.900 Simon Davies: Newport. 569 01:01:06.970 --> 01:01:08.030 Simon Davies: Let's go to Newport. 570 01:01:11.430 --> 01:01:14.890 Simon Davies: And… Alphabet sorted. 571 01:01:17.140 --> 01:01:21.019 Simon Davies: Okay, let me pull… David, in April. 572 01:01:21.830 --> 01:01:30.180 Simon Davies: That's a wonderful local family history group. So we we link out to local history providers. We're not about reinventing the wheel. We want to be. We're like a 573 01:01:31.020 --> 01:01:33.259 Simon Davies: Place where you come to find where everything is. 574 01:01:33.510 --> 01:01:43.560 Simon Davies: And then we put these little snippets in, and I put this was, this is actually one for me. So my father grew up there, and a V1 rocket landed there on Christmas Eve, 1944. 575 01:01:44.680 --> 01:01:46.890 Simon Davies: And killed a rabbit and a frog. 576 01:01:47.290 --> 01:01:52.279 Simon Davies: And it was… contained letters, from prisoners of war. 577 01:01:52.720 --> 01:02:00.620 Simon Davies: in the Manchester area, and it turns out it was part of a raid where the Heinkels were flown over the North Sea, dropped a huge number of, 578 01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:11.139 Simon Davies: V1 rockets, aiming at Manchester, but they landed as far away as Berkshire, Yorkshire, and this one on the edge of Newport, Shropshire. 579 01:02:11.660 --> 01:02:18.709 Simon Davies: And I said, this is a WhatsApp message thing with my dad. So I said to him, I said, well. 580 01:02:18.860 --> 01:02:28.799 Simon Davies: Do you remember it? He said, Oh yeah, because he was nine. He said, Oh yes, I remember it very well. But he cycled over there with his brother five in the morning and found the crater and a dead rabbit. 581 01:02:30.870 --> 01:02:34.280 Simon Davies: I said, did you not think to tell me? 582 01:02:34.530 --> 01:02:40.360 Simon Davies: Do you think I'd not be interested in it? Anyway, that's, 583 01:02:40.550 --> 01:02:49.410 Simon Davies: A nice one. We do, we put our monumental inscriptions in here, and I'll give you some examples of that. If I go to… 584 01:02:54.390 --> 01:02:55.759 Simon Davies: I've got it in here. 585 01:02:58.650 --> 01:03:00.409 Simon Davies: Let's have a look at it. 586 01:03:02.250 --> 01:03:03.040 Simon Davies: Alright. 587 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:11.940 Simon Davies: Patience with the Internet. 588 01:03:12.430 --> 01:03:13.030 sheila jelley: you. 589 01:03:15.110 --> 01:03:19.270 Simon Davies: I just want to go to the home screen, and I'm gonna go… in via… 590 01:03:19.560 --> 01:03:22.140 Simon Davies: Here, I think, actually, I'm gonna go and find… 591 01:03:24.560 --> 01:03:26.820 Simon Davies: Hope so. Let's go and find Hope so. 592 01:03:28.940 --> 01:03:30.969 Simon Davies: So I go to the village of Hopesay. 593 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:36.710 Simon Davies: Okay, and beautifully, I'll give you a little… So this nestles… 594 01:03:36.860 --> 01:03:39.479 Simon Davies: Into these lovely, this lovely little valley. 595 01:03:40.550 --> 01:03:42.819 Simon Davies: It's a really beautiful little place. 596 01:03:44.730 --> 01:03:47.869 Simon Davies: And there's the church. So we're going to have to go to the church. 597 01:03:48.940 --> 01:03:51.839 Simon Davies: This is where I put a whole bunch of stuff about the church. 598 01:03:52.170 --> 01:03:58.119 Simon Davies: but also they've got the monumental inscription. So my great-great-grandparents buried there, so I can go in here, and I go, okay. 599 01:03:58.490 --> 01:04:05.089 Simon Davies: They are… So I go down and look through all the pages, index of names and find Paul. 600 01:04:05.580 --> 01:04:12.840 Simon Davies: down that one… Yeah, Margaret and Thomas, 286, so they are number 286. 601 01:04:13.570 --> 01:04:17.899 Simon Davies: So 286 is in this batch here, so I go into 286. 602 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:28.529 Simon Davies: And 286 is… And 26, and… 603 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.640 Simon Davies: them there, so that's their grave, and that's what it says on it. 604 01:04:34.130 --> 01:04:41.800 Simon Davies: and it's and I've got on the map here 286 and 286 is here. So it's got a little Hotspot on it, and that's my great grandparents grave. 605 01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:49.069 Simon Davies: Great, great friend Pat's Rave. I went there… I went there, actually, Michael, after… not the last one, but the one before our live event in Shrewsbury. 606 01:04:49.340 --> 01:04:56.530 Simon Davies: And I didn't have any tools, so I scraped it away with my bare hands. My fingernails were absolutely raw by the time I'd done this. 607 01:04:56.680 --> 01:05:01.369 Simon Davies: You know my poor old great great grandmother. She's down there. She disappeared. 608 01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:05.180 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Turf will actually protect the inscription very often. 609 01:05:06.130 --> 01:05:11.810 Simon Davies: Oh, okay, yeah, because it was perfectly legible, and his was a bit… was more problematic, actually. 610 01:05:12.650 --> 01:05:17.639 Simon Davies: Yeah, because you can see, can't you? Look, it is actually much better preserved down there. 611 01:05:17.770 --> 01:05:27.999 Simon Davies: Hmm. Anyway, so that's one of our projects that we're… we're carrying out with, church Damasity Hub. 612 01:05:28.310 --> 01:05:36.190 Simon Davies: If I go into… I'll go back to my main archive. Oh, I, one Place Studies, so… 613 01:05:36.390 --> 01:05:41.699 Simon Davies: You can build one-place studies. I've done a demo one here at Cambridge, because I grew up in Cambridge, or just outside Cambridge. 614 01:05:42.210 --> 01:05:56.410 Simon Davies: And this is a classic sort of local history type structure. But I can do things like… 615 01:05:56.580 --> 01:05:58.700 Simon Davies: Actually, I'm going to Maps. 616 01:05:59.750 --> 01:06:08.029 Simon Davies: So one of the things we can do is we can do these sort of overlays. So if I put it in 3D mode, go down to Maudling College. 617 01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:13.200 Simon Davies: But I can phase it in and out. So this is an 1836 map. 618 01:06:13.510 --> 01:06:18.379 Simon Davies: And I'm just showing how… All these historic buildings. 619 01:06:18.660 --> 01:06:21.669 Simon Davies: In the context of that old map, I can fly around. 620 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.610 Simon Davies: Looking at, there's Trinity. There's Trinity. 621 01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:29.820 Simon Davies: But where this becomes really useful is. 622 01:06:30.590 --> 01:06:33.019 Simon Davies: Let's go to the new jail. 623 01:06:33.470 --> 01:06:38.350 Simon Davies: So here's the new jail, 1827 to… I'll just go back into… 624 01:06:39.160 --> 01:06:44.430 Simon Davies: So this new jail is 1827 to 1878. But the great thing I can do… 625 01:06:45.050 --> 01:06:50.340 Simon Davies: is I can work out where it is now. So, actually, that's the sports hall center where we used to go. 626 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:59.710 Simon Davies: But that's where the old jail was. So we can do these sorts of things. So you can see how it's all about just bringing the stuff to life, you know, and making it as interesting as possible. 627 01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:06.400 Simon Davies: I mean, in our mind, ultimately, we'll probably wear, like, augmented reality glasses like this, and you'll be able to, like. 628 01:07:06.860 --> 01:07:07.330 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Hmm. 629 01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:14.489 Simon Davies: walk down a Shropshire street and see my ancestors walking towards me, but like I say, that's all about keeping on the… 630 01:07:14.690 --> 01:07:16.490 Simon Davies: at the Vanguard. 631 01:07:16.610 --> 01:07:21.250 Simon Davies: Let me… Do something practical, 632 01:07:22.250 --> 01:07:24.840 Simon Davies: Tell you what, so I'm gonna… 633 01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:30.820 Simon Davies: I'm going to just start an archive just to give you an impression so I can get started. 634 01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:39.390 Simon Davies: And you really do want to use your family GEDCOM. To be honest, it's a bit of a waste if… 635 01:07:39.510 --> 01:07:41.030 Simon Davies: Hmm. 636 01:07:41.450 --> 01:07:42.600 Simon Davies: And… 637 01:07:43.120 --> 01:07:50.639 Simon Davies: I just need to log out because it's it's it picks me up as already logged in when I go to that. So let's go. 638 01:07:53.350 --> 01:08:08.660 Simon Davies: Yeah, because there's also a certain amount of residence to entrust your big family Gedcom straight away to some sort of service you've only just heard about. But it is the leap. It just populates everything. 639 01:08:12.060 --> 01:08:12.720 Simon Davies: Oh. 640 01:08:13.040 --> 01:08:13.750 Simon Davies: Alright. 641 01:08:16.510 --> 01:08:23.939 Simon Davies: this is a way to generate… if you put that plus on a Gmail address, it's a way to generate a completely different email, but it will still get sent to the 642 01:08:24.040 --> 01:08:28.519 Simon Davies: first bit, it'll get sent to simondmd at Gmail. 643 01:08:29.029 --> 01:08:29.979 Carys Faichney: Which is… 644 01:08:30.050 --> 01:08:31.560 Simon Davies: Brilliant for testing things. 645 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:32.450 Carys Faichney: Hmm. 646 01:08:33.450 --> 01:08:34.829 Simon Davies: Not many people know that. 647 01:08:36.340 --> 01:08:38.170 Simon Davies: And, sign up! 648 01:08:38.620 --> 01:08:44.170 Simon Davies: Over in my… Gmail, I have been sent a code, hopefully. 649 01:08:44.979 --> 01:08:46.430 Simon Davies: I will be imminently. 650 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:53.230 Simon Davies: Yeah, there we go. So, I could click that link, or I could copy the code. So, I've got the code… 651 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.160 Simon Davies: Go back over here, put the code in, poof, poof. 652 01:08:56.939 --> 01:08:59.850 Simon Davies: How do we hear about it? Oh, word of mouth, I definitely told myself. 653 01:09:00.939 --> 01:09:14.090 Simon Davies: I could go and look at the demo archive, which actually is a lot of my Shropshire ancestry, just so I can have a play around, or I can go and create one. So I'll create one, I'll make it private, I'll import a GEDCOM, and I'm going to use Agnes Sills Starter. 654 01:09:14.550 --> 01:09:18.349 Simon Davies: And it's one of the ones we use for testing a lot. And, 655 01:09:18.779 --> 01:09:21.369 Simon Davies: It's from Agnes Sills. It's called Agnes Sills. 656 01:09:21.540 --> 01:09:23.859 Simon Davies: There's a bit of a story behind this one. 657 01:09:25.229 --> 01:09:31.060 Simon Davies: So this is not a huge jetcom. This is a bit of personal research I was doing, and I'm going to make Agnes 658 01:09:32.899 --> 01:09:35.180 Simon Davies: The center of it. It's not me. 659 01:09:35.290 --> 01:09:41.950 Simon Davies: So it's this is basically an ancestry, Gedcom. And it sucked the pictures out with it. 660 01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:47.330 Simon Davies: And so, up it goes… Who am I? I'm Simon. 661 01:09:49.149 --> 01:09:51.710 Simon Davies: Yeah, that's correct. 662 01:09:54.170 --> 01:09:55.440 Simon Davies: I don't think, 663 01:09:55.910 --> 01:10:00.959 Simon Davies: Got a username, I could change my username to something else, that's an automatic button. I'm in. 664 01:10:01.620 --> 01:10:05.309 Simon Davies: And then you'll find a… a welcome page. 665 01:10:06.010 --> 01:10:12.769 Simon Davies: which is me and some links to videos. But actually, it's for you to just delete it all and put your own welcome. 666 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:19.890 Simon Davies: So this is what this is where, when you invite people in, this is where they'll they'll come. So you know, I can go around. I can just say, Well, I don't want that anymore. 667 01:10:20.820 --> 01:10:23.580 Simon Davies: And so on and so forth. 668 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:25.780 Simon Davies: Publish. 669 01:10:26.610 --> 01:10:28.299 Simon Davies: So there won't be anything in here. 670 01:10:28.690 --> 01:10:31.370 Simon Davies: Apart from the tree. 671 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:38.770 Simon Davies: This is actually a lady, this couple, I lived in the village of Great Sheffield, and they lived in this big house on the hill. 672 01:10:39.040 --> 01:10:54.740 Simon Davies: Huge, and all these grounds, and in it lived their son James and Harry, Henry, well they called him Harry, these two old creepy bachelor brothers, except one of them turns out wasn't a bachelor. They were super scary and a bit nuts. 673 01:10:55.010 --> 01:10:59.609 Simon Davies: and no one had touched the grounds for like 20 years. It was completely overgrown. 674 01:11:00.150 --> 01:11:16.900 Simon Davies: Me and my friend Rupert used to, aged sort of 10, 11, 12, we used to, like, go all over it, willy-nilly. Like, we could commando up to the back windows in the summer, because the grass was so high. I mean, they didn't care, they were just inside being mad. And in one corner, we found an air raid shelter. 675 01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:23.609 Simon Davies: like, set a World War II air raid shelter, and we dug it out and made it into our camp. And anyway, I just got fascinated with 676 01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:41.930 Simon Davies: them as a family, because she wrote this, memoir, in 1930, and it's fascinating. She came from a very upper-class family. She would be sent to Sambrits for the winter for her health, and to Egypt in the summer. It's just a brilliant book. Anyway, so I used them as my test family. 677 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:50.010 Simon Davies: But let's let's just try and do some stuff. So I'm gonna just make an article. So you would just like type a title. 678 01:11:50.990 --> 01:11:52.090 Simon Davies: New… 679 01:11:52.620 --> 01:11:59.429 Simon Davies: And then I choose a block. So I'm going to, I don't know, I'll just do a text block. I'll just add some text. 680 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.580 Simon Davies: I've got table in the text. 681 01:12:03.450 --> 01:12:04.610 Simon Davies: Hmm. 682 01:12:07.530 --> 01:12:16.040 Simon Davies: So also, there's all sorts of things I can do. I can insert a picture, or I can make an image block. I could do, like, a text image block, I could… 683 01:12:16.250 --> 01:12:24.840 Simon Davies: Look amongst the photos, say that's how I want her. So now I've got that picture in there, I can crop it, I can do all those things, and I can type, etc. 684 01:12:25.120 --> 01:12:27.880 Simon Davies: I might want to make a full-width image. 685 01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:32.110 Simon Davies: set. So let's say I've got that one. 686 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.039 Simon Davies: And then I'm gonna have that one. 687 01:12:35.780 --> 01:12:40.860 Simon Davies: It's not a very high quality picture, but I can keep building like that. 688 01:12:42.250 --> 01:12:46.950 Simon Davies: and then the tree builder, which is really… 689 01:12:48.270 --> 01:12:54.289 Simon Davies: rather special. I think this is the sort of things I wanted. So let's say I wanted to map out her family. 690 01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:59.829 Simon Davies: And her father, so I go, select him, select him, select her, select him. 691 01:13:00.610 --> 01:13:02.469 Simon Davies: So then… 692 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:09.139 Simon Davies: And then I just create that tree and I've got a tree in the article. I think it's a really helpful way of 693 01:13:10.200 --> 01:13:14.100 Simon Davies: Explaining the interrelationship of people that you might be writing about. 694 01:13:14.810 --> 01:13:16.890 Simon Davies: I could put a map in there, so… 695 01:13:17.030 --> 01:13:20.959 Simon Davies: I can either get an existing one or create a map, give it a title. 696 01:13:21.500 --> 01:13:22.739 Simon Davies: There you go. 697 01:13:24.490 --> 01:13:27.750 Simon Davies: I might go over and say, well, they were from. 698 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.890 Simon Davies: And so there we go, Cambridge down here, Cambridge. 699 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:36.170 Simon Davies: Rachel Ford. 700 01:13:36.740 --> 01:13:44.289 Simon Davies: this here, this is the house. I told you it was a big, grand house. Somebody's bought it since. It's been through several ownerships since, and they've made it. 701 01:13:44.770 --> 01:13:47.709 Simon Davies: Like a mini Versailles or something, it's a bit ridiculous, but 702 01:13:48.450 --> 01:13:51.959 Simon Davies: I can put there and go. So this is Hillstead. 703 01:13:53.270 --> 01:13:55.290 Simon Davies: where they lived. 704 01:13:56.580 --> 01:14:12.950 Simon Davies: Put some text in anywhere, but I… and I could convert it into a proper place section, but I'm not going to here, but I've now created a map, and the map is where you can do those flybys, those sort of 3D flybys you saw. So gradually, I'm building up an article. 705 01:14:13.940 --> 01:14:17.139 Simon Davies: I'm just giving you an impression of the sorts of things. 706 01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:19.559 Simon Davies: That you can do. 707 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.869 Simon Davies: I think I'll go back to, my main archive… 708 01:14:26.420 --> 01:14:28.819 Simon Davies: Oh, oh no, I need to log out, don't I? 709 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.120 Simon Davies: I'm a new user now. 710 01:14:42.250 --> 01:14:43.470 Simon Davies: Let me go again. 711 01:14:47.900 --> 01:14:51.459 Simon Davies: So that's back in Cambridge. I'm going… oh, right there. 712 01:14:52.210 --> 01:14:56.129 Simon Davies: I was going to show you Oliver Cromwell's head, but perhaps you don't want to see that. 713 01:14:56.540 --> 01:15:01.269 Simon Davies: I love doing places, so places are great, 714 01:15:01.990 --> 01:15:08.030 Simon Davies: and I'll show you about interlinking. This is my. My daughter's been putting all this stuff in there, which is just brilliant. 715 01:15:08.210 --> 01:15:11.530 Simon Davies: But if I go to… 716 01:15:11.970 --> 01:15:16.730 Simon Davies: the tree, and I generally use this for navigating. So let's say I go to my grandfather, we look at his places. 717 01:15:16.730 --> 01:15:17.310 Sheila Culross: Okay. 718 01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:18.240 Simon Davies: I've got… 719 01:15:18.460 --> 01:15:26.199 Simon Davies: Hope Field is where my father's born. If I go to Cornedon. So this is in this is in 720 01:15:26.900 --> 01:15:44.049 Simon Davies: Newport, Shropshire. So this is where my parent… my father grew up. My great-grand… my grandfather, rather, was a prodigious photographer. Lots of color slides, he had this box camera in the 1900s. So I have this great record, and this is my father giving his account of growing up there. 721 01:15:44.970 --> 01:15:49.239 Simon Davies: There's my dad on the right there. Lovely, cheeky chap. 722 01:15:50.130 --> 01:15:51.900 Simon Davies: He's 91, in great health. 723 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:56.829 Simon Davies: And so this is about their life. And I went there the other day. Actually, Michael and I left 724 01:15:56.930 --> 01:16:01.470 Simon Davies: last, the last meeting, I drove to find it. 725 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:02.220 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): lost. 726 01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:06.989 Simon Davies: That's the house now, it was a new build, you can see it's quite modern, so they moved, they moved there in 727 01:16:08.850 --> 01:16:14.490 Simon Davies: 37… You know, they were there during the war, they moved out, and they moved in… 728 01:16:14.830 --> 01:16:30.550 Simon Davies: By the way, you can put sources and footnotes and stuff in there. They moved in, and I've got… I can link off to an album, so the album of my grandfather's pic… these are all my grandfather's pictures of… of that place. I mean, wonderful record of their childhood, my dad's childhood. 729 01:16:32.300 --> 01:16:44.119 Simon Davies: But they moved, and so I just put a link to where they moved, so I can… you can create, sort of, trails through your information. So they moved to Hemington House in 1946. Now, this is a very lovely, grand house. It's actually been owned by… 730 01:16:44.410 --> 01:16:46.730 Simon Davies: or taken over by the military during the war. 731 01:16:47.530 --> 01:16:52.999 Simon Davies: And they rented it, I think, quite cheaply, because they were told if you, if you sort of renovate it. 732 01:16:53.280 --> 01:16:57.090 Simon Davies: Get it in order again. That would be quid pro quo. 733 01:16:58.930 --> 01:17:02.040 Simon Davies: I don't know who the actual owners were, and so they did that. 734 01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:09.829 Simon Davies: And my father always told me that a mile down the right lane was a World War II airfield. 735 01:17:10.110 --> 01:17:17.319 Simon Davies: And after this is after the war, and the wild corn was growing in between the runways, and you'd go and pick corn there for the chicken. 736 01:17:18.460 --> 01:17:24.230 Simon Davies: And they had Percy the Pig. But this is… that's the airfield. 737 01:17:25.310 --> 01:17:27.149 Simon Davies: In the… in… back in the day. 738 01:17:27.740 --> 01:17:31.600 Simon Davies: Oh, that's the airfield now. It's East Midlands National Airport. 739 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:32.040 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Oh. 740 01:17:32.040 --> 01:17:37.290 Simon Davies: So that's their house there, so he would have walked through the countryside to this. 741 01:17:37.530 --> 01:17:44.540 Simon Davies: Times change. Anyway, we knocked on the door there, and the lady let us look around, and look what we found in the garden! 742 01:17:45.430 --> 01:17:50.899 Simon Davies: That's a wooden, old, sort of, summer house type thing. This is 1946, my dad… 743 01:17:50.900 --> 01:17:51.420 Carys Faichney: was. 744 01:17:51.420 --> 01:18:06.920 Simon Davies: some school cup and his mum, and that was my dad there now, in 2024. I mean, I can't believe that still exists, even, to be honest. Yeah, and then they moved again, so I'm just plotting their life. They moved to Weybridge, this is where they lived in Weybridge, and then… 745 01:18:06.980 --> 01:18:11.820 Simon Davies: Then my grandparents retired, so then I had this house in Church Stretton. 746 01:18:12.360 --> 01:18:17.230 Simon Davies: And this is where my cousins get excited, because Joe popped in and said, I've got Grandpa's toffee pot. 747 01:18:17.510 --> 01:18:29.509 Simon Davies: And I was like, oh, I remember that, it's a grey thing, a bit like an acorn, and so she put up Grandpa's toffee pot. This is where we start to engage the, you know, the current generation, and I want to hear it. This is all us cousins. 748 01:18:29.930 --> 01:18:32.300 Simon Davies: Back in, sort of, 60s, 70s. 749 01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:34.430 Simon Davies: That's me. 750 01:18:35.070 --> 01:18:38.699 Simon Davies: So that's a lovely way of doing things. 751 01:18:39.100 --> 01:18:43.900 Simon Davies: The other thing I'm particularly keen on… Artifacts. 752 01:18:44.180 --> 01:18:48.890 Simon Davies: I'll show you some artifacts. You saw that one, This is… that's my grandfather's. 753 01:18:48.890 --> 01:18:49.220 Ann .: works. 754 01:18:49.220 --> 01:18:49.960 Simon Davies: camera. 755 01:18:50.330 --> 01:18:57.700 Simon Davies: That he he used to film the turn of the century. And my dad came to me one day and he said, Look, I've got this. 756 01:18:57.700 --> 01:18:58.270 Ann .: Yeah. 757 01:18:58.510 --> 01:19:00.510 Simon Davies: These are all these glass plate negatives. 758 01:19:00.510 --> 01:19:01.480 Carys Faichney: Hmm. 759 01:19:01.480 --> 01:19:09.710 Simon Davies: And I used an app called Photomine and my laptop as a backlight, and I developed them then, because nobody actually living had seen them. 760 01:19:10.180 --> 01:19:17.150 Simon Davies: And what was within included this. This is my great-great-grandmother, and she died in 1913. 761 01:19:17.150 --> 01:19:17.650 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Oof. 762 01:19:17.650 --> 01:19:18.160 Carys Faichney: do. 763 01:19:18.160 --> 01:19:21.440 Simon Davies: These are really old. So we had this camera. 764 01:19:21.440 --> 01:19:21.850 Carys Faichney: I. 765 01:19:21.850 --> 01:19:22.710 Simon Davies: And. 766 01:19:22.930 --> 01:19:24.360 Simon Davies: I sat down with 767 01:19:24.950 --> 01:19:30.240 Simon Davies: I've got it as a artifact there. Here we go. If I look at the album of images. 768 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:38.850 Simon Davies: that came out of it. So one was the Folly Farm that where they grew up. That's my great grandmother, who died in 1928. No one remembers her. 769 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.770 Simon Davies: That's another great. This is mother and daughter. 770 01:19:42.190 --> 01:19:47.380 Simon Davies: So… So we had all these… 771 01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.600 Simon Davies: Images… oh, yes, I know what I was gonna say. The, 772 01:19:51.400 --> 01:19:53.250 Simon Davies: What are the images of the 773 01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:58.709 Simon Davies: Actual camera, some… oh, me, that's gonna be new. 774 01:20:01.310 --> 01:20:06.000 Simon Davies: Somewhere I have the, hmm. 775 01:20:08.820 --> 01:20:16.639 Simon Davies: No, I thought I had more photos of the actual camera, but it's all in this box full of lots of bits. 776 01:20:17.230 --> 01:20:20.370 Simon Davies: I wish I could find it for you, 777 01:20:21.870 --> 01:20:25.630 Simon Davies: Oh, hold on, be in here. 778 01:20:28.510 --> 01:20:30.399 Simon Davies: There you go. See, look at this. 779 01:20:31.030 --> 01:20:37.980 Simon Davies: box full of all his bits and pieces and his notes on exposures and all this paraphernalia. 780 01:20:38.290 --> 01:20:41.360 Simon Davies: So I sat down with my dad one night, and we put 781 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:46.019 Simon Davies: My phone videoing on the table, and we did, like, an unboxing, you know how they… 782 01:20:46.020 --> 01:20:46.370 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): the. 783 01:20:46.370 --> 01:20:53.070 Simon Davies: online people, they'll unbox the latest product. So we basically sat there drinking wine and unboxing grandfather's 784 01:20:53.570 --> 01:20:59.939 Simon Davies: camera and him dad reminiscing about his dad and all his exploits in photography. 785 01:21:00.100 --> 01:21:00.610 Ann .: the. 786 01:21:01.990 --> 01:21:10.810 Simon Davies: But I could I could go on and on actually, but oh, but I would like I'm gonna show you this thing. So over at the Folly Farm, my 787 01:21:11.070 --> 01:21:14.549 Simon Davies: Grandfather found this Neolithic. 788 01:21:14.780 --> 01:21:30.429 Simon Davies: stone knife, and he I found these letters in the Shropshire archive because I just searched for my grandfather's name, and this is what came up. He had had a letter exchange with the county archaeologist. Was this Lady Lily Chitty. 789 01:21:31.380 --> 01:21:39.600 Simon Davies: You know, who had quite a reputation, because she was a woman in those days, in the senior 790 01:21:40.160 --> 01:21:42.269 Simon Davies: Job, and we had a… 791 01:21:43.460 --> 01:21:48.539 Simon Davies: an exhibition of her in the Shropshire Archive, I don't know if you saw it, Michael. No. celebrating her life. 792 01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:55.080 Simon Davies: And… My grandfather basically sent this, if I go to documents. 793 01:21:56.360 --> 01:22:16.999 Simon Davies: He sent. He had a letter exchange with her. She drew it. It says where it was found. And so this is letters between the 2 of them, and they're debating. So my grandfather was a soil scientist. So he's literally he's telling her about what the natural vegetation would have been like in the time, etc. And they're just a wonderful exchange. 794 01:22:18.090 --> 01:22:22.180 Simon Davies: And… Apparently, they used to go on picnics. 795 01:22:22.900 --> 01:22:38.010 Simon Davies: Mitchell's Fold, so I bought a print of this painting that she did of Mitchell's Fold for my dad, because he remembers going on a picnic with him. But my grandfather, he got hold of… he traced this from the Ordnance Survey map. 796 01:22:38.210 --> 01:22:40.090 Simon Davies: To mark the spot, here. 797 01:22:40.410 --> 01:22:45.159 Simon Davies: where he found it. So the Folly Farm's down here, and he found it there, up a hill. 798 01:22:45.510 --> 01:22:47.610 Simon Davies: So, what I did with our… 799 01:22:48.280 --> 01:22:57.190 Simon Davies: super-duper system, was I literally stitched his Tracing onto the Earth. 800 01:22:58.450 --> 01:23:02.509 Simon Davies: So you see how that… his drawing is now superimposed on the Earth. 801 01:23:03.630 --> 01:23:05.430 Simon Davies: I can… I can remove it. 802 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:07.689 Simon Davies: So then I'm able to… 803 01:23:08.530 --> 01:23:09.060 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Huh? 804 01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:11.230 Simon Davies: Put the spot, take it away. 805 01:23:11.570 --> 01:23:29.630 Simon Davies: That's where we found it. So at some point, I'm making a beeline for that field, see what else is there, because if you look in the letters from Lily Chitty, there was some sort of Neolithic way running through here, so you get these fines on this sort of, path, across, across, across the country. 806 01:23:30.140 --> 01:23:32.449 Simon Davies: But I think that's. 807 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:36.909 Simon Davies: Could be enough of all that. Let me get back to… I think I've got a few, sort of, closing things. 808 01:23:37.930 --> 01:23:55.540 Simon Davies: details to go… what have I got? Oh, well, this… so there's a lovely lady, Lillian, in Australia, and bless her, she sent me this message, just saying how she's got her archive and her grandchildren are engaging with it, which is just brilliant. I mean, that just… that makes it all worthwhile, to be honest, that warms our hearts. So some questions you might have… 809 01:23:55.840 --> 01:24:05.829 Simon Davies: We're just releasing, it works, the GEDCOM updater, so one obvious question is, will I go back to Ancestry and I do more research, et cetera, et cetera? Can I update it? Yes, you can. 810 01:24:06.010 --> 01:24:15.960 Simon Davies: It's public and private, you can set it to totally private, you can release some stuff from your private, make it public, or the opposite, you can have it public and make some things private. 811 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:27.909 Simon Davies: There are permission levels, basically, so you start it as a super admin. You… people you're inviting generally come in as, editors, or contributors, no, editor. 812 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:40.089 Simon Davies: But you can change them, and the permissions are super admin and admin can edit anything. So you're… as long as you've got admins, they're kind of your heirs, like, they've got it. 813 01:24:40.310 --> 01:24:43.880 Simon Davies: Editors, they can only edit their own stuff. 814 01:24:44.330 --> 01:24:48.700 Simon Davies: And they can also add people to the tree. 815 01:24:50.520 --> 01:25:07.469 Simon Davies: Contributor is the same, but they can't touch the tree, because some people, want to have absolute control of the tree. And then you have viewer. So this gets used by professionals quite a bit, and what they'll do is they'll be super admin, they'll make their client super admin, and then they'll start inviting the family in straight away, so that they start… 816 01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:12.710 Simon Davies: Revealing the research to them as they go, which engages the family to help them in the research. 817 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:25.700 Simon Davies: access… so this is really important. While you're building your archive, yeah, you pay a subscription, but if you stop paying a subscription, it just doesn't go away. You just can't edit it, basically. So, our… 818 01:25:26.030 --> 01:25:42.029 Simon Davies: absolute mission is to preserve this stuff, it's not… you know, that is the mission. And, I mean, one thing we're looking at doing is introducing ways of deriving, sort of, merchandise-type stuff, you know, photo albums, t-shirts, all sorts of playing cards, etc. 819 01:25:42.320 --> 01:25:53.200 Simon Davies: Hang on, you'll like this. This is not… this is done by me just for fun. These playing cards, like, that's my great… that's my great-grandfather. Sorry. 820 01:25:53.300 --> 01:26:03.869 Simon Davies: And every card has a… that's a… Map of somewhere, and… And they've all got 821 01:26:04.440 --> 01:26:16.959 Simon Davies: And oh, that's great, great, great, great. They've all got QR codes on them. So they open up the archive. And I printed off a load of copies and sent them to my relatives. Anyway, the point being, we reckon that — 822 01:26:17.150 --> 01:26:28.050 Simon Davies: that could be quite popular, that sort of thing, and it could actually subsidize not needing to charge for, ultimately, for the archive, but I don't know yet. We'll see. But we don't really want to have to 823 01:26:28.870 --> 01:26:32.440 Simon Davies: It needs to be kept alive, basically. 824 01:26:32.910 --> 01:26:35.270 Simon Davies: What is it? One click… 825 01:26:35.440 --> 01:26:43.810 Simon Davies: Or yeah, and obviously you can download a backup and the GEDCOM, et cetera, et cetera. And I think that's probably… 826 01:26:44.370 --> 01:26:46.640 Simon Davies: That's about it, really. 827 01:26:47.550 --> 01:27:01.760 Simon Davies: There's various resources online, there's a quite vibrant Facebook group of users, I think quite a lot of people are there watching people, seeing how vibrant it is, asking questions before they try it, maybe. There's a YouTube list of stuff, all sorts of stuff. 828 01:27:01.810 --> 01:27:13.220 Simon Davies: And generally, just if you… if you do decide to start using it, you are using it, or you're… just contact me anytime. People just contact me, and we jump on Zooms, and we plan, and… 829 01:27:14.130 --> 01:27:25.889 Simon Davies: help people generally get, because it's a very flexible platform. So there's no one way of doing anything so often. It's quite fun to have a just a pure debate about. I want to catch this or that or that. 830 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.640 Simon Davies: But that's kind of it, I think. 831 01:27:30.700 --> 01:27:33.750 Simon Davies: Malcolm, have I missed anything? You've sat through this many times. 832 01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:43.499 Malcolm Austen: No, there's a lot there. And yeah, do you want to take your share down, Simon? Yeah. 833 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:49.560 Simon Davies: I've got a little glimpse of something in the future I can show you, but I don't want that recorded. If you want to see that at the end, I'll come back to it. 834 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.250 Malcolm Austen: Okay, right. 835 01:27:51.250 --> 01:27:52.209 Simon Davies: Top secret. 836 01:27:52.930 --> 01:27:55.629 Simon Davies: I want to look at your reactions. 837 01:27:55.810 --> 01:27:57.390 Malcolm Austen: Oh, right. 838 01:27:57.850 --> 01:28:01.190 Simon Davies: If you want to record questions, we can come back to it later. 839 01:28:01.470 --> 01:28:07.520 Malcolm Austen: Well, shall we… shall we just take a break for around the table to… for people to, 840 01:28:07.900 --> 01:28:10.110 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, I mean, I can see… 841 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:26.069 Malcolm Austen: I don't know how other people… clearly, there's a lot more there than just importing your GEDCOM from Pedigree, because the one thing… but on the other hand, there's a lot… I can see a lot of advantage over, say, writing a book. 842 01:28:26.550 --> 01:28:33.350 Malcolm Austen: Of your family, which is a sort of a final, you know, you get to the point you produce the book, and that's it. 843 01:28:33.470 --> 01:28:34.780 Malcolm Austen: Where is this? 844 01:28:35.240 --> 01:28:38.549 Malcolm Austen: You can, A, get contributors, and B, 845 01:28:38.550 --> 01:28:39.100 Simon Davies: is. 846 01:28:39.100 --> 01:28:43.390 Malcolm Austen: It can evolve with time. As long as you're still going, you can update it. 847 01:28:43.680 --> 01:29:02.500 Simon Davies: Well, I mean, really, the intention here is, like, you make this thing and you set it adrift on the river of time, you know, it goes on. And some families will be better at doing that than others. But by the way, I mean, I would make a book too. In fact, we are going to make a function where you can click and generate and compile a book from it, but I just think all sorts of form factors. The one that I'm really… 848 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:10.410 Simon Davies: keen on doing is like little pamphlets. So you might go. Oh, our ancestors during the war, and it just makes a little pamphlet coffee table pamphlet. 849 01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:21.340 Simon Davies: you know, spread those things around the family. I sort of feel like you use all tools available, but this is trying to be the place that never gets lost, basically. 850 01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:26.040 Malcolm Austen: I will, if anyone wants to for… 851 01:29:26.930 --> 01:29:31.420 Malcolm Austen: Because I don't think I… let me find… There are, 852 01:29:32.630 --> 01:29:38.470 Malcolm Austen: I will put into the chat, there are a couple of 853 01:29:39.030 --> 01:29:42.560 Malcolm Austen: trees that I uploaded and are public. 854 01:29:42.830 --> 01:29:46.580 Malcolm Austen: One is a very small Elton. 855 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:47.920 Malcolm Austen: 55. 856 01:29:48.580 --> 01:29:52.400 Malcolm Austen: demo, and if I find the other one… 857 01:29:54.110 --> 01:29:56.569 Malcolm Austen: Oh, that's right. The other one is that… 858 01:29:57.020 --> 01:30:03.909 Malcolm Austen: Whoops, lost it. There we go. The Royal database, which is the sample 859 01:30:04.090 --> 01:30:14.739 Malcolm Austen: And you all know, I'm sure, but just for Simon, that is not a guarantee that that royalty database actually contains some errors, and somewhere there is a… 860 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.090 Malcolm Austen: There is an ancient Pedigree 861 01:30:18.240 --> 01:30:21.990 Malcolm Austen: Document that encourages people to actually. 862 01:30:22.270 --> 01:30:30.109 Malcolm Austen: edit and make the corrections to it. But, you know, it's… it's, genuine import, direct imports from, 863 01:30:30.620 --> 01:30:40.240 Malcolm Austen: from Pedigree. Well, the Royal one is from a GEDCOM 4 from Pedigree. The Elton 55 is a GEDCOM 5.5 from Pedigree. 864 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:43.160 Malcolm Austen: The. 865 01:30:43.450 --> 01:30:44.280 Malcolm Austen: Sorry? 866 01:30:44.590 --> 01:30:45.910 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): Super Coco. 867 01:30:46.820 --> 01:30:47.369 Michael Hulme (Shrewsbury): So, yeah. 868 01:30:47.370 --> 01:30:56.180 Malcolm Austen: They're they're both public. We have actually imported a couple of Davids trees. 869 01:30:56.490 --> 01:31:12.129 Malcolm Austen: Just experimentally, and they… they're rather larger, and it's imported very successfully. Of course, if you just import from there, you don't get all the pictures and things with it, which is… A lot of what it's about, is it not, Simon? 870 01:31:12.130 --> 01:31:15.480 Simon Davies: Yeah, so in the next, 871 01:31:15.990 --> 01:31:20.460 Simon Davies: Well, I'll show you in a minute when we stop recording, but… Right. 872 01:31:21.020 --> 01:31:24.710 Simon Davies: Basically, you… you… it will suck up all your photos as well, can't it? 873 01:31:24.710 --> 01:31:33.379 Malcolm Austen: Right, okay, right, we'll cut… so, I mean, one of the questions… one… certainly, the updater is something 874 01:31:33.620 --> 01:31:38.299 Malcolm Austen: The… it's a good thing, because clearly, if you've imported 875 01:31:38.530 --> 01:31:48.320 Malcolm Austen: a basic GEDCOM, and then put a load of work into adding pictures and things to it. You want to be able to update it without actually having to. 876 01:31:49.050 --> 01:32:02.989 Malcolm Austen: scrap it and start again with the updated GEDCOM. But one thing that maybe do shut me up if this overlaps too much with what you're saying is to whether you have plans to import a GEDZIP file. 877 01:32:04.240 --> 01:32:06.349 Simon Davies: Yes, in fact, that came up. 878 01:32:06.510 --> 01:32:14.150 Simon Davies: this week, actually, which is yes, we can. I my. because basically, it's a Gedcom with the images. Right? 879 01:32:14.450 --> 01:32:19.880 Malcolm Austen: Yes, yes, I mean, I tried it, and of course, the first thing that, 880 01:32:20.020 --> 01:32:30.250 Malcolm Austen: we are.xyz said was that it didn't recognize the JEDZIP file as something it could import, but obviously, once you know what to do. 881 01:32:30.430 --> 01:32:46.010 Malcolm Austen: Pedigree won't, or Pedigree won't produce a GEDZIP, but I know that Family Tree may, sorry, Family Historian can export a GEDZIP, which is basically a GEDCOM file with all the associated images wrapped into it. 882 01:32:46.420 --> 01:32:47.020 Malcolm Austen: Unlikely. 883 01:32:47.020 --> 01:32:48.969 Simon Davies: Ancestry who don't give you images. 884 01:32:49.720 --> 01:33:02.520 Malcolm Austen: Well, yes, there are ways if you have several. None of these programs do everything, which is a common problem. I have a question in terms of the permissions. 885 01:33:02.770 --> 01:33:04.490 Malcolm Austen: That you can grant. 886 01:33:04.690 --> 01:33:05.410 Malcolm Austen: Umm. 887 01:33:05.780 --> 01:33:13.599 Malcolm Austen: Is it possible to provide, have a setting… if you have a… a private tree. 888 01:33:14.850 --> 01:33:18.259 Malcolm Austen: The lowest setting is Viewer. 889 01:33:20.130 --> 01:33:32.319 Malcolm Austen: Which allows you to see all the living people in it. Is it possible to have a public tree… a private tree in which you grant someone permission to see only the non-living people? 890 01:33:33.470 --> 01:33:34.840 Simon Davies: It's… 891 01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:35.180 Malcolm Austen: adjust. 892 01:33:35.180 --> 01:33:38.990 Simon Davies: Well, as in, we could make it, but it doesn't at the moment, certainly. 893 01:33:39.090 --> 01:33:43.390 Malcolm Austen: Oh, I don't… I just thought something that there might be. 894 01:33:45.030 --> 01:33:47.169 Malcolm Austen: There might be a wish for that. 895 01:33:47.170 --> 01:33:47.710 Simon Davies: free. 896 01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:48.700 Malcolm Austen: For your wiki. 897 01:33:48.700 --> 01:33:50.430 Simon Davies: Uncle, who you don't trust. 898 01:33:50.790 --> 01:33:56.069 Malcolm Austen: We've put, I put David's experimental import up as a private tree. 899 01:33:56.440 --> 01:34:01.020 Malcolm Austen: For which I've given David access. But if someone else. 900 01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:08.680 Malcolm Austen: Among, say, among us at the moment, wanted to have a look at it, we might want to give them access to view it without. 901 01:34:09.660 --> 01:34:11.189 Malcolm Austen: Seeing the living people. 902 01:34:11.360 --> 01:34:12.030 Malcolm Austen: No. 903 01:34:12.860 --> 01:34:13.920 Simon Davies: Yeah, okay. 904 01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:20.700 sheila jelley: That mean if you put a tree up there with all your living people, you'd have to ask their permission to… 905 01:34:21.620 --> 01:34:23.160 sheila jelley: 3. Yeah. 906 01:34:25.170 --> 01:34:29.979 David Sears: Yeah, this sounds like it's different to ancestry that automatically blocks living people. 907 01:34:29.980 --> 01:34:31.970 Carys Faichney: Well, I'm so sorry. 908 01:34:31.970 --> 01:34:35.830 Malcolm Austen: Private tree. Talking about a private tree here, not a public tree. 909 01:34:35.830 --> 01:34:39.270 sheila jelley: They can make a private tree on this summit. 910 01:34:39.270 --> 01:34:40.709 Simon Davies: Oh, yes, yes. Oh, yes. 911 01:34:40.710 --> 01:34:41.260 Malcolm Austen: Yes. 912 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.660 Simon Davies: Oh, and even when the trees are public, it doesn't show living people. 913 01:34:45.330 --> 01:34:45.870 Malcolm Austen: No. 914 01:34:46.170 --> 01:34:55.839 Malcolm Austen: I mean, if it's public, you don't see the living people, but if it's private, there isn't a means to give someone access without sight of the living people. 915 01:34:56.730 --> 01:35:00.739 Malcolm Austen: As it stands, I think, which might be worth something to consider. 916 01:35:02.250 --> 01:35:04.499 Simon Davies: Yeah, I mean, I didn't even talk to you. You're the. 917 01:35:04.500 --> 01:35:09.049 Malcolm Austen: I'll submit it. I'll submit it sometimes. Yes. Anyway. 918 01:35:09.050 --> 01:35:11.199 Simon Davies: My to-do list. 919 01:35:11.200 --> 01:35:13.979 Malcolm Austen: Right. I've added a few bits to it already. 920 01:35:13.980 --> 01:35:16.549 Simon Davies: Oh, you have. 921 01:35:16.550 --> 01:35:17.450 Carys Faichney: So what? 922 01:35:17.450 --> 01:35:21.000 sheila jelley: 5 that we cannot… Load. 923 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:21.600 Simon Davies: I'm sorry? 924 01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:22.289 Malcolm Austen: Sorry, yeah. 925 01:35:22.290 --> 01:35:24.310 sheila jelley: Pidcom 5.5. 926 01:35:24.670 --> 01:35:28.990 Malcolm Austen: The Elton 55 is a GEDCOM 5.5 import. 927 01:35:31.250 --> 01:35:38.339 sheila jelley: Yes, 40 years ago, I was searching my watkuses in London, and you remember that 928 01:35:38.460 --> 01:35:41.789 sheila jelley: Directory we used to have back in those days. 929 01:35:41.930 --> 01:35:47.120 sheila jelley: And I wrote to this gentleman in Canada, and he said, all Watkuses come from Shropshire. 930 01:35:47.750 --> 01:35:48.560 Malcolm Austen: the. 931 01:35:48.830 --> 01:35:49.430 Simon Davies: do. 932 01:35:49.430 --> 01:35:51.820 sheila jelley: But I was stuck in London. Yeah. 933 01:35:51.820 --> 01:35:53.100 Malcolm Austen: So. 934 01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:57.620 sheila jelley: I'll look into doing it. 935 01:35:58.050 --> 01:35:58.860 Malcolm Austen: Hmm. 936 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:12.130 Carys Faichney: Tell me if you upload well from well, upload from an ancestry tree, ancestry marks private people who are thought still to be living. 937 01:36:12.410 --> 01:36:20.140 Carys Faichney: But actually, we know that once you've got deceased parents and deceased siblings, they're not actually private at all, because most of us 938 01:36:20.210 --> 01:36:38.529 Carys Faichney: have got the knowledge to find out who they are. So, before I upload to Ancestry, I spend hours and hours actually removing from that version anyone who's living, so that they don't actually appear on Ancestry, and therefore aren't traceable. Which version do you actually just hide people who are living? 939 01:36:39.330 --> 01:36:44.379 Carys Faichney: Or do you actually sort of not make them visible at all? Or do you make them visible in? 940 01:36:44.380 --> 01:36:45.029 Simon Davies: Well, I mean… 941 01:36:45.030 --> 01:36:47.070 Carys Faichney: and form like Ancestry does. 942 01:36:47.070 --> 01:36:48.840 Simon Davies: I can see it in, 943 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:53.900 Simon Davies: Malcolm's… Malcolm's just uploaded this, so they're hidden. 944 01:36:53.900 --> 01:36:57.289 Carys Faichney: Right. But if you've got a sibling who's… 945 01:36:57.290 --> 01:37:14.139 Carys Faichney: You know, for example, you know, do you… do you have a tree where you incorrectly mark that your sibling is still alive so they don't appear? Or do you want to, you know, have one sibling amongst a number who is deceased, and therefore you can trace the parents, the family, the, you know, all sorts of other people? 946 01:37:14.660 --> 01:37:22.620 Simon Davies: I think I'm… Well, hold on a second, let me just get back in… Where's my one? 947 01:37:25.610 --> 01:37:27.920 Simon Davies: So, I think, so here… 948 01:37:28.090 --> 01:37:35.739 Simon Davies: So my uncle and aunts, they're dead, and my parents are alive, is that what you mean? 949 01:37:35.740 --> 01:37:44.990 Carys Faichney: Yeah. So I mean, so if I look up, who is it? Morley Davies and and your that that generation, I can then find 950 01:37:45.400 --> 01:37:52.499 Carys Faichney: Probably from their names and their birth records, I could probably find who the two are that are blurred out but still alive. 951 01:37:52.670 --> 01:37:53.550 Simon Davies: Yeah. 952 01:37:53.550 --> 01:37:55.359 Carys Faichney: And you can trace down and, you know… 953 01:37:55.540 --> 01:38:07.480 Carys Faichney: We sort of find you and, and marriage siblings and what potentially find a large number of, well, number of living people there, which has its uses and it's quite interesting, but. 954 01:38:07.950 --> 01:38:09.759 Simon Davies: I mean, I don't think there's any way to stop that, really. 955 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:11.900 Carys Faichney: No, that's what I thought, yeah. 956 01:38:12.250 --> 01:38:15.220 Simon Davies: But, I mean, personally, I don't think I'm that interesting, so… 957 01:38:17.050 --> 01:38:19.659 Carys Faichney: Oh, it's for nosy people like me, you know, I'm just… 958 01:38:19.660 --> 01:38:20.530 Simon Davies: Ha ha ha! 959 01:38:20.530 --> 01:38:22.510 Carys Faichney: I mean. 960 01:38:22.510 --> 01:38:24.090 Simon Davies: I know it's possible, because I've, like, had. 961 01:38:24.090 --> 01:38:24.740 Carys Faichney: Yeah. 962 01:38:24.970 --> 01:38:25.720 Carys Faichney: Well, also. 963 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:37.919 Simon Davies: I'll go and get a second. I want to find out like some line in calendar where there's a really fascinating turn of the century story going on and you're wanting to track the living people. So you know it's possible because you do track them. Yes, exactly. 964 01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:39.140 Carys Faichney: Exactly! 965 01:38:39.140 --> 01:38:39.700 sheila jelley: Hmm. 966 01:38:40.230 --> 01:38:41.990 Carys Faichney: Yes, yes. 967 01:38:41.990 --> 01:38:44.160 Simon Davies: I didn't show you the facts. 968 01:38:44.160 --> 01:38:49.679 Carys Faichney: We all know how to do it, but I think on ancestry, I'm thinking, I don't want to, I don't. 969 01:38:50.220 --> 01:38:54.120 Carys Faichney: I don't want, potentially, to expose those… those details. 970 01:38:54.740 --> 01:38:58.289 Carys Faichney: But anyway, but it's quite a lot of work not to. 971 01:38:58.470 --> 01:39:00.430 Simon Davies: Well, it must be flashing us a huge amount of work, isn't it? 972 01:39:00.430 --> 01:39:01.260 Carys Faichney: Yes. 973 01:39:01.490 --> 01:39:03.690 Carys Faichney: There's always somebody that creeps through. 974 01:39:04.630 --> 01:39:09.859 Carys Faichney: Anyway, fascinating. That's really comprehensive, and there's so much to it. 975 01:39:09.860 --> 01:39:10.310 Simon Davies: So thanks. 976 01:39:10.310 --> 01:39:15.930 Carys Faichney: I spent hours doing that. I'd have to wait until I've got hours to spend on it. 977 01:39:15.930 --> 01:39:16.750 Simon Davies: the. 978 01:39:16.750 --> 01:39:19.230 sheila jelley: Wait, Carys, it won't come. 979 01:39:19.230 --> 01:39:23.540 Simon Davies: And the important thing is not to treat it like a thing to be finished or not. 980 01:39:24.400 --> 01:39:32.909 Simon Davies: It's… it's a work… it's… it's literally a place to go and enjoy your family history, rather than… so… and you can do things like… I'll show you. 981 01:39:34.140 --> 01:39:44.539 Simon Davies: if I go to the Riley family, so the Riley family, well, first of all, my great… so, first of all, my grandfather, so his profile, I've had great fun researching his life. 982 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:49.960 Simon Davies: He went to a school I could not find it anywhere, Bourne College. 983 01:39:50.470 --> 01:39:58.359 Simon Davies: And then I discovered why, because it's currently under the M5. But the point I'm going to make is I think it's still like that. 984 01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:14.459 Simon Davies: I'm finished. So I just put work in progress. Because, you know, if I'm gone, the person like us in the future, we're kind of ruining their fun. Because they get, we should have a mode where you jumble it all up again, so they can do the research. 985 01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:23.169 Simon Davies: But it's like, it's not about making a finished, polished thing, it's about leaving the traces. And if I go to Riley… 986 01:40:23.290 --> 01:40:29.030 Simon Davies: So with my 4th cousin, who we discovered each other, who's a bit like a sister now lives in Blackpool. Wonderful, wonderful. 987 01:40:29.200 --> 01:40:34.740 Simon Davies: We both did a project together about tracing ourselves back to Ireland. 988 01:40:34.930 --> 01:40:40.240 Simon Davies: And we did it. It was a real paper trail. 989 01:40:40.770 --> 01:40:46.840 Simon Davies: I won't go through the logic now, but there was a complete false path with some identical names, for example. 990 01:40:47.260 --> 01:40:49.069 Simon Davies: We had to contend with 991 01:40:49.370 --> 01:40:59.109 Simon Davies: water damage in Manchester to the census records, but fortunately find my pastor seemed to think that they could read them, and this was… 992 01:40:59.590 --> 01:41:05.639 Simon Davies: And so we put together, and we did actually find some parish records in Ireland that linked the… 993 01:41:05.740 --> 01:41:23.889 Simon Davies: gave us our best theory, and Bartholomew was a recurring name, that was a big clue. We did age assessments, because that made an issue. One of them might have been 16, but that 1841 census was blasphemous. They rounded you to the nearest 5 years. So, you know, all these sort of things. 994 01:41:23.890 --> 01:41:44.870 Simon Davies: And a geographic assessment, two born there, lived there, kids. And then we just let… well, the questions we have now are, the sources that we… excuse me, we used are here, and it's just left there. Someone in the future can pick it up. So it's not about finishing some polished thing. In many ways, it's completely the opposite. 995 01:41:44.870 --> 01:41:51.789 Simon Davies: I think you just start with something you're on, but I will show you an easier way when we stop recording. 996 01:41:52.150 --> 01:41:53.210 Malcolm Austen: Right. 997 01:41:53.210 --> 01:41:58.019 Carys Faichney: And on you and your website actually continuing to exist. 998 01:41:58.130 --> 01:42:03.819 Carys Faichney: And there's tons of data you're storing there. I mean, potentially a huge amount. 999 01:42:03.820 --> 01:42:06.629 Simon Davies: Which you can back up, by the way, so… 1000 01:42:06.630 --> 01:42:10.220 Carys Faichney: When you back it up, what's the format of the backup? Does it include. 1001 01:42:10.220 --> 01:42:20.319 Simon Davies: It makes all the articles into PDFs. It gives you a JPO file, gives you all your images, and we store the images in an original format with the metadata intact, so you can access the metadata. 1002 01:42:20.620 --> 01:42:25.819 Simon Davies: We just use a reduced file size for the web page just to make it run more. 1003 01:42:25.820 --> 01:42:29.190 Carys Faichney: Oh, wow. Impressive. It's superb. 1004 01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:31.530 Simon Davies: Malcolm, can I… 1005 01:42:31.530 --> 01:42:42.119 Malcolm Austen: Yeah, can I ask you a question while you have that displaying? Because I know I've asked this before, but your fuzzing on there is actually a special that you have. 1006 01:42:42.490 --> 01:42:45.730 Simon Davies: Yes, that's… 1007 01:42:46.290 --> 01:42:53.640 Malcolm Austen: Is the… I mean, is there… I don't know whether there's a preference between just saying hidden or. 1008 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:54.050 Carys Faichney: I. 1009 01:42:54.050 --> 01:42:54.780 Malcolm Austen: suppose. 1010 01:42:54.780 --> 01:43:00.879 Simon Davies: Oh, no, I want… actually, I want to do this for everyone. The reason we haven't yet is because 1011 01:43:01.330 --> 01:43:15.059 Simon Davies: Technically, that… done… done as it's done here, it's a vulnerability, so you're putting… you're putting a mask on top of the actual image, and any hacker worth their salt would be able to sift through the… 1012 01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:23.190 Simon Davies: the HTML and get to it. So what we need to do is we need to make a compositor where that is the actual image, not 1013 01:43:23.190 --> 01:43:29.089 Simon Davies: Right. And when we've done that, it's just priorities. When we've done that, that'd be so much nicer than hidden. Hidden's ugly. 1014 01:43:29.090 --> 01:43:39.130 Malcolm Austen: It does not, although, to be fair, that even if it didn't have the dark blue highlighter on it, I think I could look along that line and work out which one is you. 1015 01:43:39.420 --> 01:43:40.290 Simon Davies: the. 1016 01:43:40.290 --> 01:43:42.420 Malcolm Austen: It's fine. 1017 01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:44.639 Simon Davies: my Roman nose. 1018 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:54.879 Malcolm Austen: But yes, okay, technicalities, yes. Okay, right, well, thank you very much, Simon. There is a question from Anne. 1019 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:58.060 Malcolm Austen: Which is a one-name study. 1020 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:02.410 Malcolm Austen: aspect. 1021 01:44:02.970 --> 01:44:16.130 Malcolm Austen: I mean, one name study… when you create a new archive, one… one… a one-place study is something specific, a one-name study, yeah, you can have lots of separate 1022 01:44:16.340 --> 01:44:18.570 Malcolm Austen: Unconnected people in there. 1023 01:44:18.700 --> 01:44:19.280 Malcolm Austen: You can. 1024 01:44:19.280 --> 01:44:27.919 Simon Davies: But although we are going to make a variant specifically for one-name studies, because the real challenge with one-name studies is to expose the branches. 1025 01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:41.670 Simon Davies: Where they're not connected, and a family archive, as you see here, relies on a central person, and therefore, if you've got disconnected lines, you won't see them. Like, in here, I have… 1026 01:44:42.910 --> 01:44:50.489 Simon Davies: I'll go to the navigator. I think there's a… how many… Samuel… I think it's this guy. 1027 01:44:52.170 --> 01:44:59.410 Simon Davies: So these, these, these Walmsleys here… Yeah, see, they're totally isolated. 1028 01:44:59.850 --> 01:45:07.480 Simon Davies: I can go up there, but that's the end of the light. So they don't connect into my track. I just know that I'm related to them. 1029 01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:08.360 Simon Davies: Okay. 1030 01:45:08.500 --> 01:45:15.069 Simon Davies: And I've got them there. They're in Australia. I did. I just came across this. I think DNA showed that. 1031 01:45:15.230 --> 01:45:32.630 Simon Davies: I was linked to these people, so I researched them, and one of them, there was, like, he was accused of murdering his wife, so they were particularly interesting. So I built out their tree, and I'm just waiting for the day when I can join them. I just haven't managed to join them yet. But if this was a one-name study, I'd want to be able to 1032 01:45:32.740 --> 01:45:36.249 Simon Davies: Index all the branches, whether they've connected yet or not. 1033 01:45:36.820 --> 01:45:37.450 Malcolm Austen: Hmm. 1034 01:45:37.710 --> 01:45:41.150 Simon Davies: But we will do… I mean, all the data's there, it's just a display. 1035 01:45:41.380 --> 01:45:43.160 Simon Davies: and Change. 1036 01:45:44.040 --> 01:45:50.509 Malcolm Austen: Well, thank you, Simon. That was a, oh, well, your enthusiasm certainly comes over. 1037 01:45:50.510 --> 01:45:53.709 Simon Davies: Can I show you my new thing? I want to see the reaction. Can we stop recording? 1038 01:45:54.030 --> 01:45:55.090 Malcolm Austen: Let me, 1039 01:45:55.090 --> 01:45:55.610 sheila jelley: Malcolm. 1040 01:45:55.610 --> 01:45:57.349 Malcolm Austen: Stop the recording.